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ZekeSr:
Thank you for sharing that, Wanda. A thought just occurred to me, and I am going to speculate with a question. Did your experience happen while you were still linked to mainstream Christianity? Obviously, mine was. And I recall Ray recounting an episode he had with a woman who was possessed by demons during the time he was associated with the WWC. It was, to say the least, an extremely out-of-the-ordinary experience.
I wonder if these things occur as a way of keeping us as individuals tied to the fact that there really is more going on than meets the eye … especially during those times of transition and disillusionment. Perhaps it’s a way of keeping the “doubting Thomas” in us held at bay. I suppose I should not be using the word ‘us’, as I can only speak for myself. But I’d be interested in your opinion.
Mike
indianabob:
Hi Mike,
Just one question and if you prefer please send it to my Personal Message department. Thanks
1. I appreciate that there are many opinions and that most, even if they disagree, are sincere.
My question for you is, to what evidence do you refer that proves or at least indicates an "older" universe.
AND can be demonstrated apart from theory. I know that we have experimented with light speed in the laboratory and in our solar system, but much outside our own galaxy is speculation even to this day and theories change every generation as newer data is found.
[The conclusions of science are always in question and it is good to learn what they are based upon.]
For one example since God created light, how do we know that the "speed of light" today is as it has always been?
Aren't we accepting an assumption that things are now as they always have been?
Your thoughts on this matter are greatly appreciated. Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: ZekeSr on November 05, 2017, 04:42:44 PM ---I agree, Dave and Dennis. There is too much evidence of an “older” universe. And science doesn’t really conflict with scripture at all. In fact, the more they discover, the more penetrating and parallel it becomes in my eyes, including the fact that our reality is an illusion. Nevertheless, it's real. That’s kind of what I was trying to get across. As far as time and relativity is concerned, I like the example of what they call the twins paradox: One twin leaves on a rocket and travels near the speed of light for a quick round trip while his brother waits behind. He is only gone for a few minutes from his perspective. But when he comes back, so much time has passed that his waiting brother is an hundred years old.
I once saw a young-earth advocate on TV say that all the dinosaur fossils and such were put there by God to simply make the wise out to be fools. And, of course, there are those who believe we were here with the dinosaurs and they all died in the flood. Personally, I don’t accept either idea. Neither do I accept institutional science going out of its way to ostracize anyone of their peers who disagrees with the atheistic point of view in reference to what is being discovered.
Getting back one last time to the missed accident (and then I’m dropping it): Perhaps the reason why something like that is so difficult to accept, even as a participant in the event, is because it does not manifest itself like in the movies. There are no sudden shafts of light beaming down from above, no rising sound of a chorus in the background or the booming of an orchestra. It just happens without any fanfare, no different than getting up in the morning (so to speak). In both of the cases that I related, we just kind of said to each other, “Wow! What was that all about?” The full gravity of it didn’t even sink in right away.
I think it is no different than the “small” stuff Dave spoke of which can be every bit as life changing, perhaps even more. And yes, I guess when you get right down to it, all of everything is a miracle of God.
Mike
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Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---My question for you is, to what evidence do you refer that proves or at least indicates an "older" universe.
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Then all the myriad pieces of physical evidence that prove otherwise would make God out to be a liar.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
1Sa 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
ZekeSr:
Bob,
I think I'll let Ray do the talking on this one, as he can explain it so much better than me. I suggest you go to the BT site on YouTube and watch Ray's video titled "Why Science and the Bible Do Not Agree."
Mike
kfarggrub:
Thank you all for sharing what you have here. There was a time in my life when I felt singled out by God, and not in a good way. I could not then understand why others around me were experiencing feelings, odd manifestations, and various other "spiritual" things. It truly bothered me...thinking I was the red-haired step child. As God matured me, I began to be thankful for my lack of experiences. It seems I was meant to walk by faith, as that seemed fitting to God for my life. What I thought was spiritual rejection on God's part was actually spiritual maturation on mine!
Now having said all that, I can share that, like some have shared here, there have been very private kindnesses and encouragements from the Lord on a very personal and unseen level....all done without fanfare, religiosity, or flowery anything...just simple, unassuming, and silent as LIGHT.
I was helped by those unusual moments, but I can honestly say I am far more grateful for having been gifted the faith of Jesus.
Lastly, I am very very thankful to have been given a revelation of Jesus Christ in this earthly life and to listen, discern, and learn from likeminded brethren. -So glad to be here and count it a privilege.
Kim
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