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Dennis Vogel:
Everything is of God, even my cat. And if you break it down everything is energy. But that's not how God currently relates to us or we to Him.

We should stick to the reality God created for us in this life, even if it is an illusion.

2Co 4:18  While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

indianabob:
Friend Dave,

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
I will need some time to present a great but short reply with minimal opinions.
Expect something of minimal value in a short while. (smile)

Meanwhile this: science is about things we know and not things we speculate about.
Professional scientist are supported by sponsors, mentors and politicians needing votes.
Their work, however helpful in bringing benefits to the masses, is governed by popular demand.
If it isn't supported by peer review it will not be published in the favored journals of Universities e.g. Harvard.
If there is no money in it, it will not be developed except by sponsors with a desire to have their name on something.
Our friend Albert Einstein was a great guy, but a careful examination of his total body of work will show that he borrowed much of the ideas he published from others and that theories such as time dilation have yet to be demonstrated, and I love Star Trek movies with Warp Speed at multiples of the speed of light careening around stellar bodies too distant to have been seen since light from them does not warp toward the space ship of its own volition.
These theories makes for great entertainment, but it is not science.  :)
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I just think that God uses all types of people to accomplish His will, it is we who idolize them undeservedly.

Thanks for your kind attention to my weird views. Ole I-bob

Dave in Tenn:
Bob, I mostly agree with all of that (except the first line), and would only add that there are multiple branches of science and more "sprouting" all the time--some more "settled" than others.  The day of the Renaissance man is over.  Forced to choose, however, I'd still choose.  Replace "science" with "religion" in your paragraph (excepting the first line, and adding a few words for clarification) and it makes as much  or even more sense. 

Ray showed me it wasn't necessary to abandon scientific truths in order to understand Scripture on these matters.  I only had to abandon translations, traditions, and theologians.  On that, I'm happy to oblige.

 

ZekeSr:
I agree, Dave and Dennis. There is too much evidence of an “older” universe. And science doesn’t really conflict with scripture at all. In fact, the more they discover, the more penetrating and parallel it becomes in my eyes, including the fact that our reality is an illusion. Nevertheless, it's real. That’s kind of what I was trying to get across. As far as time and relativity is concerned, I like the example of what they call the twins paradox: One twin leaves on a rocket and travels near the speed of light for a quick round trip while his brother waits behind. He is only gone for a few minutes from his perspective. But when he comes back, so much time has passed that his waiting brother is an hundred years old.

I once saw a young-earth advocate on TV say that all the dinosaur fossils and such were put there by God to simply make the wise out to be fools. And, of course, there are those who believe we were here with the dinosaurs and they all died in the flood. Personally, I don’t accept either idea. Neither do I accept institutional science going out of its way to ostracize anyone of their peers who disagrees with the atheistic point of view in reference to what is being discovered.
 
Getting back one last time to the missed accident (and then I’m dropping it): Perhaps the reason why something like that is so difficult to accept, even as a participant in the event, is because it does not manifest itself like in the movies. There are no sudden shafts of light beaming down from above, no rising sound of a chorus in the background or the booming of an orchestra. It just happens without any fanfare, no different than getting up in the morning (so to speak). In both of the cases that I related, we just kind of said to each other, “Wow! What was that all about?” The full gravity of it didn’t even sink in right away.
I think it is no different than the “small” stuff Dave spoke of which can be every bit as life changing, perhaps even more. And yes, I guess when you get right down to it, all of everything is a miracle of God.

Mike

Wanda:
Mike, thank you for putting yourself out there and sharing your experiences with us. I read your post and all of the comments last week, but was very hesitate to share my own experience until now.

This happened back in the late seventies...my sister and I were both trying to quit smoking cold turkey. She quit about three weeks prior and that encouraged me greatly and I tossed my cigs in the trash.

The first couple of days were bad, but the third was unbearable. I was physcally sick and felt like I was loosing my grip on reality.  My sister stopped by and was alarmed when she saw my condition. I asked her if she would please take my two young sons, so I could pull myself together and she did.

Now alone, and in a most desperate situation, I was standing in my living room talking to God, and at some point,  I moved a chair into the middle of the room, sat down and began to beg God for his help. I told him without his help I could not do this on my own.

How do you find words to recount something of a Super Natural nature, I don't know, but I'll try...within seconds, all time, space and reality as I knew it, vanished. Slowly and ever so gently, a very light fog that contained little floating light particles, came from above me, encircling me as though I was in a transparent cocoon. What followed was an all consuming peace, contentment and love, so much love. A love so great words could never describe.

All I know is I never wanted this to end, but as gently as it had come, it began to lift gently from me. I sat in that chair trying to adjust my thoughts, from what seemed like, one dimension into another. I was afraid to move anything but my eyes for fear the peace, love and contentment would be taken from me. Reluctantly got up just stood near the chair for a bit longer, until I was so overcome with joy I had to get to my sister and share this with her, no matter how crazy it would sound.

My physical transformation and joy was immediately obvious to her, so much so, all she could do at first was stare at me wide eyed, with a look of shock. That was followed by, OMG! You smoked didnt you? I told her I defiantly had not and she needed to sit down because I was about to rock her world.

I've had many years to ponder this and I have no choice to believe this was God's Devine Intervention. I agree with you guys about the little ones too, I cherish all of them.

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