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lareli:
--- Quote from: Joel on January 10, 2018, 02:23:15 PM ---The way I see it, The Lord Jesus Christ came to do the will of the Father.
He said that he was doing the will of the Father over and over, even though the vast majority of the people thought otherwise.
If we are being lead of the Holy Spirit and our gold is to please the heavenly Father in everything we do, Jesus being our best example ever, than why sweat at all the little details?
Joel
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Why sweat at all the little details?? Really?
If your reply is directed towards my question about what “testimony” means in Rev 12:11 then your reply belongs right up there with..
“If you had faith you wouldn’t ask such questions” or “these questions just distract us from the task at hand which is to make disciples” or any other such answers you get from your local church leaders when you ask questions about scripture.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: largeli on January 10, 2018, 11:19:15 AM ---... is the meaning of “testimony” in this verse the same thing Paul was talking about when he said in Acts that Jesus told him, “and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me” as Extol pointed out?
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I don't assume that Paul is talking only and exclusively about his experience on the road, though this is part of it. "Act 22:18 And saw him saying unto me, Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me."
Paul's "conversion" sets a pattern. The "details" of each experience experienced by the one having the experience are not the same. But Paul didn't say that Jesus said "they will not receive the testimony about how you were converted on the road to Damascus." He said "they will not receive thy testimony concerning ME."
And they didn't. And those like them still don't. Jesus is Lord. Jesus saves.
Joel:
My reply was not directed at any individual and I certainly wasn't wanting to offend anyone, sorry if that is how it turned out.
Joel
lareli:
So the elect, the saints, overcome by the blood of Christ and by the word of their testimony of Christ... so the elect testify, as in they talk to people about their faith?
One of the reasons I left ‘church’ was because they kept trying to make me feel like I was being rebellious by not wanting to do things such as give a testimony in front of the congregation, or lead a small group/home group. I didn’t like feeling like those people were trying to assume authority over me by pushing me to do stuff that I was uncomfortable to do. But I can’t get around scriptures such as Rev 12:11 that appear to say that the saints “evangelize” for lack of a better description.
They used Rev 12:11 to push (they called it “encourage”) people to give a testimony and so I’d really like to believe they were mishandling that verse. Is there another way to understand that verse other than that the saints testify with their words (not just actions but Word) about Christ?
indianabob:
Largeli,
Not sure that these passages apply to your question, but it seems to me that God does not expect us to be aggressive or pushy, but rather to let our lifestyle and our manner of speaking be the example for others to observe.
Bob
Matt 10:14
13 If the home is worthy, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 And if anyone will not welcome you or heed your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.…
Mark 6:11
10 And He told them, “When you enter a house, stay there until you leave that town. 11 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that place, as a testimony against them.” 12 So they went out and preached that the people should repent.…
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