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Extol:
A forum search did not reveal any emails where Ray talked about it (I'm not sure how to search all of the homepage articles at once.)

You're right, I gave multiple answers, though I did qualify my first answer by saying "I may very well be wrong!"  ;D

I wish to amend my first reply and say that Rev. 12:11 can absolutely be talking about "giving your testimony." My initial statement  probably was a result of my tendency to look at the big picture (the overall plan of God), as well as an anti-church bias on my part: Even when I went to church and believed what was taught there, I didn't really like the term ("Brother Bob is gonna bless us with his testimony today!") It often seemed contrived and sort of made me roll my eyes.

But I have changed my opinion after looking again at the word, which Strong's defines as evidence given (judicially or generally): - record, report, testimony, witness.That can easily mean any of my three answers: It can mean me saying "Jesus Christ will save the world, here is the Scriptural evidence." Or it can mean me saying "Here is the report of how I came to Bible Truths, and how God opened my eyes." Another reason I changed my mind is from Paul's report of Acts 22, in which he recounts the story of how he "came to know the Lord", to use the church phraseology. Near the end of the story, Paul says Jesus told him Make haste, and get thee quickly out of Jerusalem: for they will not receive thy testimony concerning me (v. 18) i.e. they will not believe this report of how you got blinded on the way to Damascus and miraculously had a change of heart. The "testimony" in this case, it would seem, was the Damascus story, not the testimony of Christ being the Saviour of the world.

lareli:
Ya you did say “I could be wrong” I saw that, hope I didn’t sound critical of your thoughts and for what it’s worth I have no better answer than you on this..

So if “testimony” in Rev 12:11 is our personal “road to Damascus” story where The Lord dragged us to Himself, then that sounds like.. we overcome by (dare I say) evangelizing??

lareli:
Could ‘testimony’ in Rev12:11 be talking about the quality of ones word? As in being a man or woman of your word? You don’t lie, you don’t bear false ‘witness’, your word is clean... you speak truth?

You don’t give false ‘testimony’?

I remember this one scene in the movie ‘Jerry McGuire’ where this guy doesn’t want to sign a contract and he, instead, gives a handshake and says ‘you have my word.. and it’s stronger than oak’

Could Rev 12:11 be simply referring to being an honest person who’s word/testimony/witness is true?

“the word of their testimony” meaning “the quality of their word/testimony”?

John from Kentucky:
Every man is a liar and cannot be trusted.  Our testimony is worthless.  We cannot save anyone including ourselves.

God tells us what we are: "For dust you are, and unto dust you shall return."

What we think is of no value.  No free will.  Our thoughts and actions come from forces we do not control.


Jesus is the Great King.  Jesus is our Savior.  Jesus Rules.  Jesus is the Teacher.
Jesus is only saving a very small few now.  We have no say.  He saves who He wants, when He wants.

Ricky:
He saves who He wants when He wants. Where does it say that in the book. Somebody said every man is a liar and cannot be trusted. Music to my ears.

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