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Musterseed:
Whoops sorry 😐 Largeli.
Stacey your statement about life being both good and evil now has me asking another question
about the opposite.
Is death good and evil? I guess how you die , eg, murder is evil.But what about death itself,
cause to be honest some days being dead seems good to me. I don’t know if I’m making sense anymore. I’m overwhelmed with people coming out of the woodwork, neighbours dropping by
for tea, old friends from years ago calling, bad news for someone I love, sisters having
problems, my kids are having trials. I try to be attentive to all the different conversations
but I feel like I’m pretending and I don’t feel good about that. Sorry for venting guys, just
one of those days, God Bless all of you. Sincerely in Christ Pamela
Wanda:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on March 19, 2018, 08:33:31 PM ---Whoops sorry Largeli.
Stacey your statement about life being both good and evil now has me asking another question
about the opposite.
Is death good and evil? I guess how you die , eg, murder is evil.But what about death itself,
cause to be honest some days being dead seems good to me. I don’t know if I’m making sense anymore. I’m overwhelmed with people coming out of the woodwork, neighbours dropping by
for tea, old friends from years ago calling, bad news for someone I love, sisters having
problems, my kids are having trials. I try to be attentive to all the different conversations
but I feel like I’m pretending and I don’t feel good about that. Sorry for venting guys, just
one of those days, God Bless all of you. Sincerely in Christ Pamela
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Pamela, most of us here can empathize. Some days are better than others, I call those blessings☺
This is what scripture tells us about death.
Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Sin, is the evil and death is the consequence.
This verse sounds like, under the right coditions, death would be a blessing.
Revelation 14:13
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
This human experience is most certainly not easy, but if we draw close to God durring our most difficult trials, he will be our bridge over troubled waters. These are the times I pray the most, because I cannot endure some of these trials alone. More and more, I feel this carnal life is unnatural.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Draw close to the comforter and he will ease your mind and give you peace.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Musterseed on March 19, 2018, 08:33:31 PM ---Whoops sorry 😐 Largeli.
Stacey your statement about life being both good and evil now has me asking another question
about the opposite.
Is death good and evil? I guess how you die , eg, murder is evil.But what about death itself,
cause to be honest some days being dead seems good to me. I don’t know if I’m making sense anymore. I’m overwhelmed with people coming out of the woodwork, neighbours dropping by
for tea, old friends from years ago calling, bad news for someone I love, sisters having
problems, my kids are having trials. I try to be attentive to all the different conversations
but I feel like I’m pretending and I don’t feel good about that. Sorry for venting guys, just
one of those days, God Bless all of you. Sincerely in Christ Pamela
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Pamela, (and Wanda) just a slight adjustment to your thinking on this. The words translated (most often) as "Evil" into English don't have a moral bias to them. In other words, they don't "mean" "sinful acts" like murder. Being murdered is certainly an evil, and committing murder is certainly an evil ACT/DEED/WORK done to somebody else. But there are other ways to die. I'll stop there. This can be a bit of a hard concept to grasp since most of us grew up with Preachers who didn't use sound language.
Yes, I think death (or rather DYING) is both good and evil--no matter how young or healthy, old or unhealthy the person is.
When Ray died, this passage jammed its way into my mind.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
I always took that verse to mean something like "We better clean up our act, (Or say the prayer, or whatever) before we die or we'll get left out."
But now (and in that moment) I understand it to mean just what it says. This corruptible MUST put on incorruption, and this mortal MUST put on immortality. Because THAT'S THE WAY IT WORKS. It HAS to happen that way. We don't take on one without losing the other. Not even those who are "alive and remain" escape this CHANGE/EXCHANGE.
So, yes---death (or rather DYING) is an evil--there's no worse thing that can befall a LIVING SOUL--but in it is the promise of better, MUCH better. How much better is Immortality than Mortality? It's more than the difference between a mustard seed and a fruit bearing mustard plant. And that's good.
Anyway...do mustard plants bear fruit? As far as I know, I've only eaten it out of a jar or squeeze bottle.
Anyway...I've had one of those weeks myself the last few days. It's burdensome at times--and that's an evil. ;D Hang in there, He's growing you up through all this and you can't fail, ultimately.
Stacey, nicely put.
Wanda:
Thanks Dave, great perspective. My own experiences with much loss, as well as Gods truths, have influenced my thinking on death and it's place in his ultimate plan. I tend to view the suffering as the evil and death being a welcome relief. Maybe I need to seek out mental help🤔
ZekeSr:
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 20, 2018, 03:39:53 PM ---Thanks Dave, great perspective. My own experiences with much loss, as well as Gods truths, have influenced my thinking on death and it's place in his ultimate plan. I tend to view the suffering as the evil and death being a welcome relief. Maybe I need to seek out mental help🤔
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You don't need help, Wanda. Over the period of a decade, I watched my brother deteriorate from a healthy and strong individual into a bed ridden, unable to communicate, tube fed, frozen stiff slug before he died of Parkinson's disease. Death may be the final enemy, but it can be a welcome relief with the sure knowledge that the awakening will come. I miss my brother every day, and sometimes it hurts me to tears, but I'm glad he sleeps. I know he is better off for the time being.
Mike
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