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John from Kentucky:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on April 06, 2018, 01:24:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on April 03, 2018, 06:19:03 PM ---I agree Dennis.  In most of the Middle East and Muslim countries, if you come in the name of Jesus Christ, you are asking to be killed.

And they have been called.

But remember the parable of the wheat and tares.  An enemy (Satan) came and planted the tares among the good seed.  The tares are from their father Satan.  Only at the harvest will the good seed be gathered into the barn and the tares burned.  Every parable speaks of the Many and the Elect Few.

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This just came to mind John:

Php 1:18  What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.


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That's O.K. two thousand years ago getting things started.  He might think differently of a modern bible thumper preaching hellfire and brimstone and that sinners will be tortured eternally.

We must also remember that the Apostles had to grow in grace and knowledge over time, like us, and that they had different thoughts as time went on.  For example, Paul followed water baptism early on and stopped such foolishness later on.

The Church kicked Paul out at the end. The Church kicked John out.  And I have Scripture that indicates Peter too.

I am not a Christian.  I do not attend their churches.  I do not listen to their priests and ministers.  The churches follow Satan as an angel of light.  None of that for me.

Jesus freed me several years ago.  Not going back.

I admonish those who have ears to hear, listen to what Jesus says, "Come out of her My people."



Wanda:
Hi Bob,

I've been giving some thought to what you said, and I can't help but feel I might have cut you off at the knees, so to speak.  I'm really sorry for that.

My own experience as a JW and being required to knock on doors to save people from Gods wrath at Armageddon, was filled with persecution, but because I believed I was doing the will of the Father the persecution came with the territory, for his name sake you know. 

How can anyone of us judge these ones, when they are doing God's will? I did it until he opened my eyes to see his truths. Now at least I won't be murdered for doing what he willed for me at that time. Now the only persecution I encounter, is through ridicule for believing there is a God, not for the one I worship, but then I don't witness to others anymore.

Those of us fortunate enough to live in areas where we all have religious freedom,  are sheltered from the realities of suffering, and fear, that many go through daily, as a result of their association to Jesus. I consider that a blessing for myself, and most of us on this forum.  I am sad for their suffering, and look forward to the day all suffering is,  NO MORE.

Will we ever experience the kind of harsh physical suffering others are? I don't know, but I will just continue to be thankful for the peace I experience now, and hold on to the hope of our deliverance from this evil existence.



indianabob:
Dear friend Wanda,

As a general condition of communication with others I support and approve candor.
I would much rather that a person state honest feelings than to hide their true feelings out of fear of hurting my feelings.
I often say provocative things to stimulate a response, not in anger or out of a desire to hurt, but rather to
stimulate a sincere response on a topic that has been carefully avoided.

So, if you are concerned about your words being offensive just say at the beginning, "this may hurt a little" and I'll know to
expect to be provoked to think seriously about the topic you are addressing.
Without candor we are just blowing smoke and accomplishing very little.
Keeping in mind of course that hundreds of "new" people are reading what we say on the public forum and may still have tender feelings themselves.
We should always follow the admonition to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves and correct one another in love.
Kindly offered, Indiana bob

Wanda:
Wise advice Bob, thank you☺

Kenneth:
I believe that Islam will be used as the club in God's hand to bring about the fall of Babylon the Great, the Mother of harlots.(Christendom)

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