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[Musterseed]

Good morning folks
I came across this  hip surgery e-mail message from Ray.

In it was this paragraph.

“I look forward to the day when the Christian Church begins an unrestrained
 media campaign against us,than the chosen of God will become strong in the faith
as never before.”
Unrestrained,,, that sounds pretty intense
Ray is not here ,so is this after resurrection, By us does he mean the chosen?🤔
And will I see the Elect on CNN anytime soon? Just kidding.😜

Can someone help me understand please? Thankyou Pamela

[indianabob]

Hi Pamela,
I think it is reasonable to believe that the "US" is those called out of the "Christian church" some of whom are supporters of Ray Smith.
We are the ones having an unrestrained media campaign against us because they (the false church) and the media feel threatened.
How we are personally affected depends upon how we respond in our locality.
Do we need to confront members of churches about their false teachings?
Or do we simply need to give an answer for the faith that we have been given?

Each person must decide.
Indiana bob

[lareli]

Post the link if you don’t mind.

[Musterseed]

Hi Ibob
Thank you for your explanation. I don’t totally understand it all , but will meditate on it and search
a little more.
I appreciate your help. In Christ , Pamela

[Musterseed]

Hi Largeli
I found that statement from Ray in my written notes from months ago and wouldn’t mind posting  a link if I knew how,
Unfortunately  I don’t know my way around the Internet like most. I feel blessed just to be able
to be on this forum. All I know is it is in an email from Ray when he was having his hip surgery
and I jotted it down. Maybe someone else remembers it.
Have a good day Largeli. In Christ , Pamela.

[Wanda]

I won't speculate here, so Im including the link to the message from Ray, in case someone understands enough to answer Pamela.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,13952.msg122976.html#msg122976

[CEO]

Hi

I don't believe an unrestrained media campaign against those who believe as Ray has begun.  When it does the 'heat will turn up' and the gold will be purified!  Then and there we will be stronger in our faith.

Askseeknock

Charles O

[Musterseed]

Thank you very much Wanda. 🌹🌺🌻🌷🌸🌱❤️

[John from Kentucky]

We must keep our perspective as to where we are in God's plan.

We are in the Pentecost age of God's plan.  The Feast of First Fruits. God is saving only a very, very small few of his special Elect and anointed ones at this time.

The Many have no understanding of the Truths discussed here.  They do not have the Spirit of God.
The Many will not be saved until after the return of the Great King.

The primary purpose of this website is a place where God can bring His Elect for teaching them certain fundamental Truths needed for their salvation.  God then works individually with each of His Elect to form them into His Jewels.

[Dennis Vogel]

Mat_24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

I have wondered about this. There are not enough of 'us' to justify this verse IMO.

But I hear about Christians in general being killed more and more.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/killed-attack-christians-pakistan-quetta-180402161157315.html

I just don't see a tiny part of the world population being hunted down but the 'called' being left alone.

But I could be wrong.

[Wanda]

My thoughts exactly Dennis. Some of us tend to overlook the terrible persecution, attacks and murder of Christians in other parts of the world.

When there is an attack on all of Christiondom, we'll be lumped into the mix.

[John from Kentucky]

Dennis,

We must remember Jesus's words are Spirit.  I experience Jesus's words every day since He led me  into the wilderness to the place of safety where He is protecting me for a time, times, and half a time.  I am a stranger and sojourner on the earth.  All who Jesus leads will suffer persecution from friend and foe alike as He was.

Those who are known as Christians are not of us.  They are led by Satan as are the Many.  Only a very select few are free from being deceived.

Only Jesus protects His Elect from the influence of this great, false church.

[Dennis Vogel]

Notice it says "for my name's sake"

Christians in general are the 'Called' and acknowledge Christ. Even if they do not understand what we understand.

[John from Kentucky]

I agree Dennis.  In most of the Middle East and Muslim countries, if you come in the name of Jesus Christ, you are asking to be killed.

And they have been called.

But remember the parable of the wheat and tares.  An enemy (Satan) came and planted the tares among the good seed.  The tares are from their father Satan.  Only at the harvest will the good seed be gathered into the barn and the tares burned.  Every parable speaks of the Many and the Elect Few.

[indianabob]

Notice it says "for my name's sake"

Christians in general are the 'Called' and acknowledge Christ. Even if they do not understand what we understand.

It seems to me that we tend to overlook to whom certain scriptures are addressed. Isn't it possible that Jews of Jesus time on earth, having had centuries of practical understanding of persecution would have understood much more easily than we today the things that Jesus mentioned only briefly?

One ancient author wrote the following to help guide the study of scripture:
Indiana bob

HOW TO READ THE BIBLE

It shall greatly helpe ye to understande Scripture,
If thou mark
Not only what is spoken or wrytten,
But of whom,
And to whom,
With what words,
At what time
Where,
To what intent,
With what circumstances,
Considering what goeth before
And what followeth.

JOHN WYCLIFFE*

[Dennis Vogel]

However, if one of the Christian sects gains power, it could be us.

Christianity - 2.42 billion

Catholic Church - 1.285 billion.
Protestantism - 920 million.
Eastern Orthodox Church - 270 million.
Oriental Orthodoxy – 86 million.
Restorationism and Nontrinitarianism - 35 million.
Independent Catholicism - 18 million.
Minor branches - 1 million.

But why would 1.8 billion Muslims, 1.35 billion Chinese, etc. care what Christian sect any one person belongs to? The type of Christian means almost nothing to them.

[Wanda]

Thanks for the stats Dennis.

However, if one of the Christian sects gains power, it could be us.

How would that fit into God's plan for the fall and destruction of Babylon The Great I wonder.

Revelation  18

Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.

22 The sound of harpists, musicians, flutists, and trumpeters shall not be heard in you anymore. No craftsman of any craft shall be found in you anymore, and the sound of a millstone shall not be heard in you anymore

23 The light of a lamp shall not shine in you anymore, and the voice of bridegroom and bride shall not be heard in you anymore. For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived.

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who were slain on the earth.”

[Dennis Vogel]

I really don't know. But this was posted this morning: https://youtu.be/VLXGktZU5as

It seems religion is becoming more of a topic in the news.

[lareli]

  “It's just amazing how in today's world, a site such as ours can become the center of attention almost overnight.

All it takes is that right message that is followed up on by a few million u-tube viewers who get the proverbial snowball rolling down the hill getting larger and larger with every revolution.  Maybe it will come about through our debunking of the Christian Hell doctrine, or the tithing doctrine, or maybe just the way I might comment on some national event of international interest.  I look forward to that day. When the Christian Church begins an unrestrained media campaign against us, then the "chosen of God" will become strong in the faith as never before.”

I don’t want to speculate as to what made Ray try his hand at ‘future telling’ in saying something so specific as, ‘when the Christian Church begins an unrestrained media campaign against us’... as if he knew specifics about future events. Hmm.

[Wanda]

I really don't know. But this was posted this morning: https://youtu.be/VLXGktZU5as

It seems religion is becoming more of a topic in the news.

Curious to see how that plays out.

I was thinking how birth rates might influence these numbers you posted, and found this.

n an analysis released Wednesday, Pew estimates that in the five-year period between 2030 and 2035, the Muslim birth rate will overtake the birth rate among Christians, with 225 million babies born to Muslim families in those years, compared to 224 million among Christians.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58e6c7fee4b0cdad578e6071/amp