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Dennis Vogel:

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Speaks for itself.

lareli:

--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on April 18, 2018, 08:06:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Wanda on April 18, 2018, 04:34:57 PM ---I found this thread, where Kat expounds on Danial 12:9:

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So that's why the saying in Revelation are open for all the elect in the new covenant times. And that's why it was "closed up and sealed till the time of the end" from the OT prophets and patriarchs... they could not be elect, because it started with Christ's first appearing in the flesh. Nor could they understand what had not happened yet.

The believers can understand these things now because we have the knowledge of the truth. The church believes those verses you referred to are saying that a person fate is sealed at the death... if a person was unjust or filthy, they would continue in that state forever, as would the righteous. Only a blessed few have their eyes open to these truths now.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

 https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,16649.msg150850.html#msg150850

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I must not be a believer because I cannot say much with certainty about hidden end times facts.

But if this is known to the elect now then it must have also been known to the elect for the last 2000 years. There must have been many thousands of people with all this understanding in 2000 years.

You'd think a few of them would have written it down somewhere? The printing press was invented in the 1400's. Should be more than a few books don't you think?

And YouTube should have more than a few inspired videos? We've had the Internet for over thirty years.

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But there are many books and many YouTube videos by people who believe they are the elect. How do you know if they are the elect? How do you know you are one? Every person in every denomination in every faith believes they are among the chosen.

When it comes to my faith, the bottom line for me is.. would I ever be satisfied with someone else’s interpretation anyways? I say no, lest I fall into the trap of following a man by esteeming his interpretation over the voice of the spirit within myself.

Dennis Vogel:

--- Quote from: largeli on April 27, 2018, 10:33:09 AM ---But there are many books and many YouTube videos by people who believe they are the elect. How do you know if they are the elect? How do you know you are one? Every person in every denomination in every faith believes they are among the chosen.

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But that's the point - According to that post you should be led to the truth if you are one of the elect.


--- Quote ---The believers can understand these things now because we have the knowledge of the truth.
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"Now?" It may not be the "end times" yet.

I'm always reminded what my (now dead) mother-in-law said: "Everyone thinks they are living in the end times."

Johnny70:
Hi Dennis,
Did the apostles know - in their day that they were of the elect? It seems hard to believe that they were in doubt of their future when they even had contact with The Messiah Himself and you would think that the topic would have come up to assure them that they were OK, as part of the first resurrection. Where as for me I do not know.

As for the end times- I have been looking at this issue for some 50 years - but I think we are getting closer - that is all I can say and as far as I will go without making a total fool of my self!!!

Dennis Vogel:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

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