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Wanda:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on April 16, 2018, 10:20:43 AM ---May not be time yet:
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
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I don't feel wise enough to understand all these things.
10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
John from Kentucky:
Revelation is not for the young in spirit.
Only Jesus can unlock the meanings in that Book to one of His individual Elect.
All of the symbols in that Book are explained in other Scriptures.
Line upon line, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.
In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.
Wanda:
I found this thread, where Kat expounds on Danial 12:9:
Dan 12:8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, "My lord, what shall be the end of these things?"
v. 9 And he said, "Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
v. 10 Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
There it says "the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end," but in Revelation it says "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand." So we can begin to see when or what time is this speaking of.
Heb 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
1Peter 1:20 He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you
v. 21 who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
During the old covenant times it was not the time of the end, because that wasn't until Jesus brought the new covenant "in these last days" and "last times for you who through Him believe in God"... the time of the elect. For all believers down through the centuries, Christ's sacrifice is bringing the last times for those in Him... the elect are being prepared during their individual lives ever since Christ came, living and then waiting in their grave until Christ returns. Then their life will continue at their resurrection into the kingdom.
So that's why the saying in Revelation are open for all the elect in the new covenant times. And that's why it was "closed up and sealed till the time of the end" from the OT prophets and patriarchs... they could not be elect, because it started with Christ's first appearing in the flesh. Nor could they understand what had not happened yet.
The believers can understand these things now because we have the knowledge of the truth. The church believes those verses you referred to are saying that a person fate is sealed at the death... if a person was unjust or filthy, they would continue in that state forever, as would the righteous. Only a blessed few have their eyes open to these truths now.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,16649.msg150850.html#msg150850
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: Wanda on April 18, 2018, 04:34:57 PM ---I found this thread, where Kat expounds on Danial 12:9:
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So that's why the saying in Revelation are open for all the elect in the new covenant times. And that's why it was "closed up and sealed till the time of the end" from the OT prophets and patriarchs... they could not be elect, because it started with Christ's first appearing in the flesh. Nor could they understand what had not happened yet.
The believers can understand these things now because we have the knowledge of the truth. The church believes those verses you referred to are saying that a person fate is sealed at the death... if a person was unjust or filthy, they would continue in that state forever, as would the righteous. Only a blessed few have their eyes open to these truths now.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,16649.msg150850.html#msg150850
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I must not be a believer because I cannot say much with certainty about hidden end times facts.
But if this is known to the elect now then it must have also been known to the elect for the last 2000 years. There must have been many thousands of people with all this understanding in 2000 years.
You'd think a few of them would have written it down somewhere? The printing press was invented in the 1400's. Should be more than a few books don't you think?
And YouTube should have more than a few inspired videos? We've had the Internet for over thirty years.
Wanda:
Good points Dennis.
Thinking on all Ray was inspired to teach, he didn't feel writing a commentary on Revelations was more important than other things he wanted to cover. If it had been important to God for all these things to be revealed, he would have made it so. Just my thoughts.
Ray, I already ask you a question in another e-mail which I hope you answer.But a comment is, I,d like to see you write a thing on how and what the book of revelation is in your view and what will happen and what it all means by your view of it. It may help alot of people see some truth for once as compared to what their being taught in churches now. Like is the symboles literal or synbolic,etc.Seals,Trumpets,bowls,beasts,number of the beast,etc.I believe you get the idea. I think you should write it! Thanks,God Bless,Jeff
Dear Jeff:
I have had some ask me to explain Revelations to them in an email. I will be covering portions of Revelations in my Lake of Fire Series. As for a verse by verse commentary, that will have to wait awhile, as I have other more important subjects to yet cover.
God be with you,
Ray
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