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Prune Soleiado:
« Seth is the first mentioned in the genealogies when men first called on God. But Adam (mankind) was not his literal father but his symbolic father. »
Very enlightening John From Kentucky.
It gives a lot to think about.
Dave in Tenn:
I have no problem with people who take the first few chapters of Genesis at face value--unless they began to declare to me that "Scripture (or the Bible) says" what scripture (or the bible) does not say. They can declare that to other people all they want, but they can't declare that to me.
Wanda:
John from Kentucky, you said...
Eve is also the symbolic mother of all living. If there were other humans before Eve, then she would only be the mother of some of the living, not the mother of all living.
Can you please share scripture to support this?
Do these scriptures exclude others who might have lived outside of the garden, and if so how?
Act 17:26 “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
v. 27 “so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
v. 28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.'
indianabob:
Hi Mark,
I like the way you write and think.
We need to be inquisitive and be seeking to learn as much as we can.
I'm sure that God wants his future leaders to be interested in deeper understanding.
I also believe that God does not assist scientific research with His spirit the way God does concerning spiritual knowledge.
There was a lot that L Ray Smith would have shared with us if he had more time.
His methods were very detailed and careful regarding Scripture and scripture is provided by God even though it is a translation.
There really is not a comparable resource for scientific study, so all scientific theory about the past is questionable and in fact changes with subsequent generations of scholars.
Ole Indiana bob
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--- Quote from: John from Kentucky on July 04, 2018, 10:43:43 PM ---Some of us have the understanding that the Adam and Eve story is not literal but a spiritual story chock full of deep spiritual truths. Adam is the Hebrew word for mankind. Eve is the mother of all living. But not all have this understanding. God guides all.
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I'm mostly in agreement with this, though I take the garden story at face value. I think the scientific explanation has problems all day long, not the least being that it's not demonstrable theory but purely forensic and speculative. And scientific theories aren't facts but propositions. elaborated hypotheses. There's actually no scientific theory that's factual. It's simply not what a theory is. Theory is proved good or bad by its utility, its predictive capacity, and shouldn't be confused with scientific fact, such as the distance between the earth and the sun. So I don't hold with the concern for reconciling non-repeatable, consensus science with scripture. But I wasn't there. The story may be symbolic in whole or in part. But I believe it's spiritually true, entirely. and much more instructive on that basis than historically or scientifically. So I take it at face value. I've seen that Ray makes significant effort to read science into scripture, but he's done such a fine job with other things that I overlook it. Is this what you guys call being contrary? I could care less about science, while enjoying the benefits of scientific theories that are actually demonstrable.
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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Wanda on July 07, 2018, 09:41:50 PM ---John from Kentucky, you said...
Eve is also the symbolic mother of all living. If there were other humans before Eve, then she would only be the mother of some of the living, not the mother of all living.
Can you please share scripture to support this?
Do these scriptures exclude others who might have lived outside of the garden, and if so how?
Act 17:26 “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,
v. 27 “so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
v. 28 “for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.'
--- End quote ---
I believe that God's Holy Spirit has led me to understand that the Adam and Eve story is not literal but symbolic.
It does not bother me in the least that others believe the story is literally true. I am an accountant, not a teacher of Scriptures. Jesus is the Teacher of all Truths. It is up to Him to save and bring understanding to all.
Those Scriptures you quoted are true and apply to all.
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