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Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: seaofglass on July 11, 2018, 12:44:21 PM ---Where did I say Adam brought sin into the world Dennis? Read what I said.
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You may be referring to me. That's OK. Earlier in the thread somebody attributed something Dennis said to me. You said, "Adam the first man thru whom all have sinned..." It's true that I didn't quote you correctly, nor was I trying to. I don't really understand what you said, and can't find in Scripture your statement. You'll have to forgive me for moving beyond it to address a more common misunderstanding in Christian Theology.
As for all "Jews believe the rest are goys less than animals; some black sec believe the whites were created in a test tube; British Israelism believe they are the true bloodline; Christian believe the majority are going to hell cause they did it their way..." such rubbish will continue and maybe even proliferate as long as the "pride of life" exists in men. When they all understand that they themselves are beasts, what a great repentance that will be.
Here is MY "resting place" that Jesus promised. I am a part of the ongoing result of the "sixth day" coming to be so, along with all other mortal men, women and children, past present and future. We, together, are the offspring of God and share a common destiny, each in his own order. It's the last who will be first.
Wanda:
All good stuff Dave. At a certain point in this thread I was inspired to read the creation account again, more than once. Facinating what can be gleaned from scripture when the spirit moves.
Horan:
--- Quote from: Joel on July 10, 2018, 01:53:29 AM ---The way I see it, Adam was a walking talking individual that had a beating heart, and Adam lived 930 years and he died.
Humanity, mankind, the family of Adam and Eve created in the image of God, can also be called Adam.
1st Corinthians 15:45 KJV - And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1st Corinthians 15:45 Amplified - Thus it is written, The first man Adam became a living being-an individual personality; the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving Spirit-restoring the dead to life.
Jacob had 12 sons that made up the 12 tribes know as Israel as a whole, but each tribe was called after their fathers house, from Reuben on down, and it was very common for a son that was looking for a wife to obtain one from his fathers family. Jacob/Israel was a walking talking individual that went into Egypt, but only the children of his 12 sons came out of Egypt about 400 years later.
Numbers 26:51- These were the numbered of the children of ISRAEAL, six hundred thousand and a thousand seven hundred and thirty.
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I'm not sure what you might not be saying in this, but I find what you have said fully embraceable. I take the creation story at face value. No doubt it's symbolic, but is it only that? I can see that there is much interest here in reading science into scripture. I wouldn't do that, preferring to let science be what it is, with its faults and virtues, and let scripture stand on its own. I wan't there at the beginning, so I can't claim that the events described happened exactly as they're presented, but neither was I present at our Lord's resurrection, and the world thinks that taking either or both of these things at face value is foolishness, depending on science for its indictment. Many things in scripture are presented symbolically, and there is as much metaphor, figure of speech and idiomatic expression that one finds in expression rendered in any language. But the creation story isn't presented like this, but rather as historical narrative, much as the story of Calvary is presented, not as simply a poem filled with spiritual truth. We're smart people, but I would caution against being too clever.
Horan:
--- Quote from: seaofglass on July 10, 2018, 03:03:58 PM ---Greetings
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
It is very clear that God made all nations with one blood running thru all men. Think about it folks. If God had created one race of people that hunted only and than Adam and Eve to till the ground, than Eve could not have been the mother of all the living and the Scripture cannot be broken. Adam the first man thru whom all have sinned, Jesus the second Adam thru whom all are justified. Both account of the creation of man is, they were created in “his image”. You have to ask yourself why would God create a man and a woman twice? All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The first creation could not have been accounted for sinning since without the law there is no sin. Adam and Eve sin because they had the law. But its said "all have sinned".
The creation of two races of mankind has been used to promoted the theology of enslavement. From Ballentine's Law Dictionary, 1948 Edition. 'Human Being' is defined as follows: 'See monster' . From the same dictionary, 'monster' is defined: 'A human-being by birth, but in some part resembling a lower animal.'
Therefore they conscribe human beings have no inheritable right so cannot own land, property. Legally speaking that would include all of you and I. This is the way it works in Satan's world. Adam of the mankind family was “formed” the other creatures were created. So if you are not of the right blood line you cannot be part of the Kingdom according to those of such persuasion. If we deviate from biblical principle we end up with dogmatic presumption and divisions.
Sea Of Glass
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There ought to be a way on here to just like something. Thanks for this. I think it's very helpful to do as you have done. If something is presented as truth, certainly examine it as a candidate for such distinction in light of the text, but also examine what other purpose it might serve if we might too casually accept it. I think the world at large can be very instructive in this way, with regard to distinguishing truth from error.
Wanda:
--- Quote from: sansmile on July 10, 2018, 08:44:00 PM ---Wanda, I think a translation earlier on in the thread was shown. It said Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Rotherham has an interesting translaton:
(Rotherham) So the man called the name of his wife, Eve,—in that, she, was made mother of every one living.
Sandie
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Very interesting translation, thanks Sandie.
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