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First People
Chris:
--- Quote from: Prune Soleiado on July 04, 2018, 12:47:19 PM ---Well, I would say Adam and Eve were not the first people since Adam had undoubtedly a father and a mother, unless God lies (absolutly not!), for Adam had to leave them to marry Eve:
Genesis 2:24 « That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh »
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All that Adam said was; "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, for she was taken out of Man." (Genesis 2:23) The passage you quoted that immediately follows this statement from Adam is part of the narrative that Moses is writing for OUR admonition
(1 Corinthians 10:11)
Genesis 2:24 is not Adam speaking, it's a commentary insert from Moses' perspective
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Dave in Tenn:
Horan, all I can tell you is that I do not (cannot) read (especially) the 2nd chapter of Genesis as History. To me, there is a clear difference between the way the Gospels (and all the NT) "read" and nearly all of the Old Testament, and I don't think that's because of the differences in the original languages, though it might be.
I "am" where I am on this matter, and sense great rest being "here". For all I know, I'm confessing my sins. So be it. I don't mean to disturb anybody else's rest, but sometimes I am less than sure that what they are experiencing really IS rest. I've never preached what I "believe" on this subject to anybody with the intent of winning converts. In fact, I've never preached the "complete" version to anyone, ever. I'm just saving a spot in the Higher Assembly for such as me. I want them to know its OK. Thousands have tried to preach to me all my life. First the church, then the world. Everybody is going to answer, including me.
Beyond that, scripture itself doesn't require me to believe that Samson slew exactly 1000 philistines with the literal jaw-bone of a literal a@@. It does require me to believe in the death and Resurrection of Jesus. And I do. When I left the church and went into the world with a passion, only He "remained" of my ever-dimming faith until He himself was almost extinguished. He is Lord, and no bible character old or new is more important than Him. Since Jesus, I don't care any more about Samson, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, or David. He is Lord of the living.
indianabob:
Hi Chris
Please consider this and similar passages. Even Moses was inspired by God to teach what he taught.
2 Tim 3…15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
Please consider this and similar passages.
--- Quote from: Chris on July 11, 2018, 09:06:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: Prune Soleiado on July 04, 2018, 12:47:19 PM ---Well, I would say Adam and Eve were not the first people since Adam had undoubtedly a father and a mother, unless God lies (absolutly not!), for Adam had to leave them to marry Eve:
Genesis 2:24 « That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh »
--- End quote ---
All that Adam said was; "This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, for she was taken out of Man." (Genesis 2:23) The passage you quoted that immediately follows this statement from Adam is part of the narrative that Moses is writing for OUR admonition (1 Corinthians 10:11)
Genesis 2:24 is not Adam speaking, it's a commentary insert from Moses' perspective
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Chris:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 11, 2018, 09:32:05 PM ---Hi Chris
Please consider this and similar passages. Even Moses was inspired by God to teach what he taught.
2 Tim 3…15 From infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…
Please consider this and similar passages.
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I never said Moses was not inspired, he most certainly was, he wrote the first 5 books of scripture. The post that I was replying to made the claim that Adam was the one being quoted in Genesis 2:24 and that Adam knew his physical mother and father. I was simply pointing out that is not the case because Adam was not speaking in Genesis 2:24, it was from a God-inspired Moses.
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John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 11, 2018, 09:24:50 PM ---Horan, all I can tell you is that I do not (cannot) read (especially) the 2nd chapter of Genesis as History. To me, there is a clear difference between the way the Gospels (and all the NT) "read" and nearly all of the Old Testament, and I don't think that's because of the differences in the original languages, though it might be.
I "am" where I am on this matter, and sense great rest being "here". For all I know, I'm confessing my sins. So be it. I don't mean to disturb anybody else's rest, but sometimes I am less than sure that what they are experiencing really IS rest. I've never preached what I "believe" on this subject to anybody with the intent of winning converts. In fact, I've never preached the "complete" version to anyone, ever. I'm just saving a spot in the Higher Assembly for such as me. I want them to know its OK. Thousands have tried to preach to me all my life. First the church, then the world. Everybody is going to answer, including me.
Beyond that, scripture itself doesn't require me to believe that Samson slew exactly 1000 philistines with the literal jaw-bone of a literal a@@. It does require me to believe in the death and Resurrection of Jesus. And I do. When I left the church and went into the world with a passion, only He "remained" of my ever-dimming faith until He himself was almost extinguished. He is Lord, and no bible character old or new is more important than Him. Since Jesus, I don't care any more about Samson, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Job, or David. He is Lord of the living.
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Right on, Right on, Right on. I agree Dave.
Jesus said John the Baptist was greater than all who came before, but the least in the Kingdom of God is greater than the Baptist.
Grace and Truth came by Jesus.
No one was saved before Jesus.
Paul taught us that Jesus was the Seed, not Isaac, and by Jesus all will be saved.
The Elect of Jesus are greater than and will be saved before the great ones of the Old Testament.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Adhere to Jesus the Anointed of God and our Great King and Savior.
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