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seaofglass:
Bob
I emailed you PDF please confirm you received. aedesign57@aol.com
Dennis Vogel:
I feel I have to tell Bob and seaofglass that exchanging this information would be much better in a PM.
There are people that have robots that search the Internet for email addresses (scrap) and sell them to others to send you junk email or worse infect your computer via an email.
I suggest you delete these posts. But if you cannot delete them let us know here and one of the moderators will do it for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_scraping
indianabob:
Hello Dennis,
Sometimes curiosity gets the better of us.
Your helpful suggestion is appreciated.
Personal info has been removed.
Indiana Bob
Porter:
--- Quote from: seaofglass on July 14, 2018, 01:31:46 PM ---There are many topic of discussion that do not have “two witnesses” such as “it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: “ Does a lack of a 2nd witness denies this scripture? Where is ONE scripture that said there was more than I creation??
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That's a fair point, however not many members will tell me that I do not believe in the Word of God if I do not agree with their interpretation of particular verse. It just felt like you were forcing it down my throat.
Honestly I don't even know that much about the physical aspect of the creation account as I've never really studied it to any great length aside from what Ray said about it. If you want to know what Ray thought here is a quote and link below. Also, Ray didn't seem completely sure about it as he said that he wasn't trying to make a big stand.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,9130.0.html
Gen 1:20 And God said, let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creatures, that hath life.
Did He just make one male and one female fish or was there an abundance of them? Then we go on verse 21, “He made the great tanniyn.” Which I believe you know are the dinosaurs, the reptiles.
Then we have the cattle, verse 24. Did He just make one cow and one bull, is that it? Well, it says He made cattle.
Well then when we come down to verse 26, it says “God said, Let Us make man…” But the Hebrew is ‘humanity.’ “Let us make humanity.” Did He really just make one man and one woman? That’s not what He did with all the other things, did He? Look at it.
Gen. 1:27 Let Us make humanity in Our image after Our likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle…
“Male and female created.” Now in our translation, it says “male and female He created them.” So it’s pretty difficult to say, ‘well there was one man and one woman.’ He created humanity, He created humanity male and He created humanity female. Humanity, okay.
Now when we come to Adam and Eve, He gives them a name and we know it’s just one. Are they the first ones though? Maybe not. Because we later have Cain, that says his sentence is too great, wherever I go, they will kill me (Gen. 4:13-14). Who will kill him? Who? There was only Abel and he killed Abel. So if there’s only Adam and Eve and their two sons, Cain and Abel… well Cain killed Abel, so now there’s only one man left, and his mother and father. He says to God, wherever I go, “anyone who finds me will kill me." Who? He killed the only other man alive on earth. Well if we interpret it that way, there are problems. Then Cain took a wife… so there’d be all these other things to contend with and so on. Alright.
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Me personally I don't know either way, but I'm ok with that as I like to think that I at least know the spiritual basics. God is STILL creating humanity in His image.
--- Quote from: seaofglass on July 14, 2018, 01:31:46 PM ---Does Bob's lack of two witness of Scriptures undermines his statement “the Adam in my bible left the garden in a higher spiritual condition than he entered it. There is no "fall of man" and no "fallen humanity", though men do fall.” No this is a statement out of spiritual growth I agree with and need no Scriptures to see it.
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Another fair point because Bob's statement in the quote above is kind of common knowledge around here, just said in way and style that is unique to Bob which I personally always find easy to listen to and understand. Plus it's a good refresher am I rite? :)
Peace to you Sea of Glass.
seaofglass:
Honesty goes a looong way my friends. Fantastic, now we are progressing unto onto spiritual growth. Why should we stand close to the trunk of the tree??
Why do I insist there was only one first man named Adam? Because it said so:
Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
And since:
Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Then all we have are these book called Scriptures for validation, for this is what God has given us.
Until God reveals something 100% I stick to the book. This is all we have along with this thing called faith. We get a lot of knowledge and information but we can never prove anything in a tangible way to anyone. We have the intuitive wordless word of God speaking to us individually. Why is this? Why does God not just show up? Why doe the righteous have to live by faith? Why was Paul even after having seen the Lord in his Glory, something only Moses experienced when he asked “show me your glory”. Why wasn’t this enough? Paul was given a minister of Satan to keep him in check and though he prayed for relieve God said “Nope”. Why?
Answer:
Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
Uumm. Now that’s something we all need to meditate about. I see goodness in you guys, seriously. Ever since I read Ray’s writing I have never been the same again. I have been writing ever since and surely this stuff is not for everyone at this time so pray and stand close to the trunk of the tree. The world is being memorized today like never before and black magic, as Pharaoh's priest performed, is being done publicly and on TV like never before memorizing the people.
In the Marine Corps we were taught to be leaders and to be a good leader you need to be a good follower first. All who believe the truths on this site are called to be leaders and a leader of righteousness does not need followers. We may be physically alone but spiritually hey you guys want to see all the angles on spiritual horses covering the peak of the mountains?
Benelyon
Sea Of Glass
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