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The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« on: August 28, 2018, 03:56:32 PM »

I’m a person who’s always been fascinated with the cosmos and the fact that, when we look into the heavens at night (even with the naked eye), we are glimpsing into the past. We can never know how things really are out there, only how they were. And as astronomers manage to probe deeper and deeper with ever-advancing technology, the farther into the past we can see.

Science estimates the known universe to be close to 14 billion years old. Based on proper observation and our knowledge of the speed of light, it’s probably accurate. Which leads to the question that the renowned physicist Enrico Fermi is reputed to have blurted out during a conversation with a group of colleagues in the early 1950’s: "Where is everybody?"

I could fill pages with the reasoning behind the question, but here it is in a nutshell: “The Fermi paradox is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations, that even with the "slow" space travel technology within the reach of us earthlings, the galaxy could have (should have?) easily been colonized within 5 to 50 million years. And considering the fact that our sun is a second-generation star, thus making us the “new new kids on the block,” these 5 to 50 million years of galactic colonization should have occurred long-long ago. But obviously it didn’t happen.

In the past decade, the search for exoplanets has come into its own. As of August 1, 2018, three thousand eight hundred and fifteen planets have been discovered outside of our solar system. A handful are ‘earth sized’ and within the so-called habitable zone, but always lacking some of the other essentials believed to be necessary for anything beyond microbial life, if even that. In fact, most of the planets have been found to run the gamut of extremely bizarre circumstances never thought possible. It now appears as though what science has assumed to be atypical, inexplicable, and seemingly impossible for planetary existence (much less life) is the norm throughout the galaxy. As a result, there are a few brave and often ridiculed souls in the scientific community who are willing to acknowledge the obvious when comparing solar systems: a growing recognition of the rare earth hypothesis—our solar system is the one that appears to be unusually stable, remarkable, and rare. Perhaps even one of a kind.

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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2018, 11:04:15 PM »

Hi Mike,

Thanks for stimulating our thoughts.

One of a kind?

Well, God probably had to start somewhere, so why not here.
Is this planet and it's features so insignificant that we cannot believe that we are the first?

Maybe there is a reason that God has made so many billions of souls since Adam!
Maybe God has a plan to put us to work and share the creative process with His beloved children...

God could have filled the earth with people and let them learn how helpless they are without His leadership, but instead God let us fill the earth over time, by making us part of the creative process.

I like that idea and am looking forward to all the many fun challenges we face in the ages to come.

Indiana Bob  ;)  :)

I’m a person who’s always been fascinated with the cosmos and the fact that, when we look into the heavens at night (even with the naked eye), we are glimpsing into the past. We can never know how things really are out there, only how they were. And as astronomers manage to probe deeper and deeper with ever-advancing technology, the farther into the past we can see.

Science estimates the known universe to be close to 14 billion years old. Based on proper observation and our knowledge of the speed of light, it’s probably accurate. Which leads to the question that the renowned physicist Enrico Fermi is reputed to have blurted out during a conversation with a group of colleagues in the early 1950’s: "Where is everybody?"

I could fill pages with the reasoning behind the question, but here it is in a nutshell: “The Fermi paradox is the apparent contradiction between high estimates of the probability of the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations, such as in the Drake equation, and the lack of evidence for such civilizations, that even with the "slow" space travel technology within the reach of us earthlings, the galaxy could have (should have?) easily been colonized within 5 to 50 million years. And considering the fact that our sun is a second-generation star, thus making us the “new new kids on the block,” these 5 to 50 million years of galactic colonization should have occurred long-long ago. But obviously it didn’t happen.

In the past decade, the search for exoplanets has come into its own. As of August 1, 2018, three thousand eight hundred and fifteen planets have been discovered outside of our solar system. A handful are ‘earth sized’ and within the so-called habitable zone, but always lacking some of the other essentials believed to be necessary for anything beyond microbial life, if even that. In fact, most of the planets have been found to run the gamut of extremely bizarre circumstances never thought possible. It now appears as though what science has assumed to be atypical, inexplicable, and seemingly impossible for planetary existence (much less life) is the norm throughout the galaxy. As a result, there are a few brave and often ridiculed souls in the scientific community who are willing to acknowledge the obvious when comparing solar systems: a growing recognition of the rare earth hypothesis—our solar system is the one that appears to be unusually stable, remarkable, and rare. Perhaps even one of a kind.

Mike
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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2018, 05:38:47 AM »

Hello Mike,

Pretty interesting!
I saw a video few days ago about this non-extraterrestrial existence, proofs of this are soooo obvious!
Einstein said: « The more I study science, the more I believe in God".
Praise Our Father in Christ for His marvelous work 🙏 🌏 ☀️ 🌙 🌟 🌳 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 🐈
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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2018, 02:55:25 PM »

Here are a few of the things that have made life as we know it … our life … possible:

A host star for photosynthesis… Energy

Liquid water… Need I even mention why water is so important?

The Goldilocks Zone…   Our planet is at the perfect distance from the sun to allow for liquid water… not too hot… not too cold… just right.
   
Protective Magnetic field… Without it we would be bombarded with cosmic radiation and the solar wind would strip away at our atmosphere.

The Moon… Besides orchestrating the tides, the moon dictates the length of a day, the rhythm of the seasons and the very stability of the axis tilt.

The Axis Tilt…  With little variance, the Earth's spin axis is generally tilted 23.5° with respect to the ecliptic. This gives us moderate seasons and prevents wild temperature extremes anywhere on the planet. This is crucial for the development of advanced life. Since the forces of rotation could cause the axis direction to change, it appears to be the stabilizing effect of the Moon that has kept the spin axis on a steady bearing to provide a stable climate for life.

Plate tectonics… A constant recycling of the elements and energy.

Guardian Planets…  Jupiter and Saturn have acted like giant “catchers’ mitts” pulling in or deflecting comets, and possibly even rogue planets, that might have otherwise pummeled the earth. While some have gotten through over the ages, most have not.

We are living in a protected bubble, a life raft floating within a sea of incredibly harsh conditions, violence, and powerful extremes.

Rom 8:19  For the earnest expectation of the creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20  For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but because of Him who subjected it on hope
Rom 8:21  that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22  And we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.


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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2018, 05:09:51 PM »

Wow 😮 Mike
I was doing the dishes this morning staring out the window at the sky, trees ,sun , birds and thinking about Our Lords awesome creation and all of a sudden Goldilocks and the three
bears popped into my mind. 😃 I thought it might be about the church in Laodicea being
lukewarm.
Rev.3:16
So, because you are lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

I think we were both in the Goldilocks Zone, 😂

I love learning about science now that I know it’s all of God.

We are living in a protective bubble, a life raft floating in a sea of incredibly harsh conditions
, violence and powerful extremes.

Ray’s quote comes to mind. “ There ain’t no atheists in life boats “ or foxholes. This is when people
go to God, they really do.”,,,,,,,,paraphrasing.

I have no idea what this has to do with your post. Hahahahah.
I really enjoy learning this stuff. Thank you 😊


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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2018, 05:18:18 PM »

I agree with others, a great post Mike!

With spending so much time dealing with life here on this planet,  there isn't much time to look beyond what can be seen from this limited view, but your post has me thinking at least.

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Reminds me of Noah's protective bubble, the ark, protecting he and his family,  against the harsh conditions going on outside of it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2018, 05:30:09 PM »

I agree with others, a great post Mike!

With spending so much time dealing with life here on this planet,  there isn't much time to look beyond what can be seen from this limited view, but your post has me thinking at least.

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Reminds me of Noah's protective bubble, the ark, protecting he and his family,  against the harsh conditions going on outside of it.

I was thinking that Earth is basically a shadow of God dealing only with Israel, and comparing the scope of the universe with Earth, and the size of Israel to the world.
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2018, 05:39:40 PM »

Can anyone tell me why the secular world is so interested with earth like planets? Maybe as believers, we have good reason to.

But why would atheists be?
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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2018, 06:16:22 PM »

Can anyone tell me why the secular world is so interested with earth like planets? Maybe as believers, we have good reason to.

But why would atheists be?

The first thing that comes to mind is their facination with there beeing other life forms out there somewhere.

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2018, 06:43:58 PM »

Can anyone tell me why the secular world is so interested with earth like planets? Maybe as believers, we have good reason to.

But why would atheists be?

The first thing that comes to mind is their facination with there beeing other life forms out there somewhere.
They believe everything came randomly though. Definitely some inconsistency in their beliefs.
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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2018, 08:25:03 PM »

Before I became a believer ( Thankyou Lord)  I believed I had the free will to believe anything
that was spewed out by the Babylonian System of lies and lots of it came from movies and TV.
And let’s not leave out our education system . I read my hososcope, dressed up for
halloween, had Christmas parties, Easter bunnies, tooth fairies, leprechauns , vampires, etc.
so why not ET.  My athiest friends believe in free will, and evolution.
I believe the reason is because its all in the plan of God . The one who knows how many hairs
fell out of our heads today.
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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 01:16:18 PM »

This is a good thread. Let me add this verse with a thought if you all don’t mind:

Gen 11:6  And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

So we have a mind that has been extended with conscience and are thus capable of reasoning out things such as  good vs evil and paradoxes in the science world.  Our conscience is an extention of God Himself onto future spiritual beings that will reflex his completed nature in time.  Without this cognitive awareness and presence of mind we would be like animals, a nephesh, a “creature” as Paul put it.  It is interesting he used the word creature, a sentient being,  not man.  So here is a deep revelation  as to what God really created. If Christian-dom understood we are mere creatures than they would understand the fallacy of “free will”.  But i digress.

Any way God put a hold on things in Gen 11:6 and stagnated the evolution of man till the time of the end when knowledge would increase, a sign of the time  in which we are in.

There is a scientist who has managed to create anti-energy which, according to what i read, will allow the eventual obtainment of warp speed like the Star Ship Enterprise.  The speed of light is not fast enough to allow travel between galaxies.  Warp speed, according to the theory, will bends space itself and creates a bubble type energy field which will allows speeds, using space itself not propulsion,  many times beyond the speed of light. As you might know they have also managed to implanted chips in the brain which allows the person to move a prosthetic limp.  Steve Hawkins himself had implanted chips which captured the electromagnetic energy produced by the thought process and allowed him to think a thought and transfer that thought energy into  a computer in the form of text.  When you think about this it is totally amazing what man has accomplished in such a short time.  And why now??

The A-I  movie (artificial intelligence) my favorite, unlike most alien movies, which depicts ugly wirer aliens, this one at least shows  a humanoid being and their space ship is fascinating at the end of the movie.  Now think about what the new earth will look like 1,000 year later knowing the small technology we have today.  Understand the government is hiding technology from us that will bedazzle the many in the years ahead and creating this UFO alien nonsense.

 It is no doubt in my mind that God created the immense universe and the great amount of man and woman for His expansion, His great handy works.  Remember God is spirit not a spirit, so what wonders of his revealing nature is to come is beyond out imagination.  But we can speculate with our great minds and glorify Him in the quietness of our being in our heavens with our Father.  Knowing who we are.

We are who priviledge to have open eyes and ears today are privy to see beyond the backyard of our minds.

As we say in the Marine Corps Semper Fi (always faithful) to our Father Yahweh

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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 01:40:17 PM »

Hi Sea of glass,

Great letter, thanks for sharing.

There is another method of space travel that may apply, after we are changed to spirit and become like Christ our Lord and that is "speed of thought".
Our God is not limited by the constraints of matter as we are and when we are changed we may have a similar privilege of traveling where we are needed instantly. So even though travel at "warp" velocity is an interesting concept for flesh and blood entities, I don't foresee it being developed by earthbound mankind before the Lord Jesus has brought all into submission in the age to come.

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Re: The Fermi Paradox: Where is everybody?
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 02:47:06 PM »

It really depends which assumptions are made when you start the computations.  The "Drake" set assumes "why would there not be?" and the "Fermi" set assumes "why would there be?"  The "Fermi" set makes more sense to me.   
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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2018, 04:18:54 PM »

Gentlemen and Ladies

Think about this. 

Our present technology is about 100 years old, unless you believe in the Egyptian Kemetaphysics or Moores  science  pervading the world, a dangerous thing but some good science.  That's   0.1% developed comparing to 1,000 years of our reigning with Christ but look at how much we have that we know of.  As i have heard the government secret projects are about 100 years ahead of what have been let out to the public.  If you have not caught up to Bill Cooper i might suggest you do .  He was killed for exposing the UFO lies. He had a secret clearance the President of the U.S.A do not have since he worked in area 51.  He saw things only from a science fiction movie and was visited by men in black and told to shut up or else.  His conscience did not let him so after years of keeping silence he began again to let the cat out the hat till he was silenced about 3 years ago. 

 Our reigning with Christ is a physical reign for those that remain and breed more children in the that 1,000 period.  We will be able to transform from spiritual to physical like Jesus did.At the end of the 1000 we will have the Great White Throne Judgment.  How that will take place God only knows.  But i can imagine people waking up to a futuristic world that will blow their mind!

Semper Fi

After Jesus hands our Father the Kingdom the spiritual kicks in  for everybody but we who will have overcome will know what life will be like already.    Right now we only know in part and prophesy in part.  But that's where our minds need to be always and we can comfort each other with such things as long as we keep it in its proper perspective.   That;s why i like Ray he ventured out the box and called this word buzzard and it is.  Just looking at water, just water is mesmerizing .  It can kill you or give you life.

My mind goes there at night in the sparkling on and off pixels of light that fills your mind's eye when i go to sleep.  The more you read the bible the more spiritual experiences you have in your dreams.

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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2018, 10:41:20 PM »

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I am actually a dog, and only with some Scooby Snacks can I actually type.

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Never heard of this! Where do I find out more? Maybe a PM would suit best, as no teaching is allowed here. Unless Mods are fine with it.

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I wish that applied to me as well. I've had a couple centered on that, but it has been a while since then unfortunately.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2018, 12:49:47 AM »

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Check your PM.

Having said that i just want everyone to know that i am a bible based believer and rely on our Father to teach me.  i seek no following, i have no relationships around me for many many years.  It's just been me and God almighty. Whatever knowledge i may have of the world is just that. Worldly knowledge.  The spiritual connection is done by the Father who reveals all things spiritual.  That's how Ray got his great understanding, that's how we are all admonished to be connected, cause when that happens we will all be of one spirit and we will know each other, we will feel it.  We will know the truth intuitively by the wordless word of our Father.

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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2018, 10:42:30 AM »

Heb.10:24
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is;
but exhorting one another;and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.

2Thes.2:1
Now we beseech you brethren by the coming of Our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together.


                    The higher than all gatherings

It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the spirit
and it is the heights of TRUTH.It is a gathering together in a dimension above.
It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT.,,,,,,,, Ray

Acts 7:48
Howbeit the most high dwelleth not in temples made with hands saith the prophet.

Rev.21:2
And I John saw the Holy City, new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven
prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Is this a meeting of minds?
I remember Ray talking about the subject (to meet) meeting.Can someone explain this
or point me to the teaching. Thankyou and God Bless You. ❤️ Pamela




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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2018, 11:30:21 AM »

Gentlemen and Ladies

Think about this. 

Our present technology is about 100 years old, unless you believe in the Egyptian Kemetaphysics or Moores  science  pervading the world, a dangerous thing but some good science.  That's   0.1% developed comparing to 1,000 years of our reigning with Christ but look at how much we have that we know of.  As i have heard the government secret projects are about 100 years ahead of what have been let out to the public.  If you have not caught up to Bill Cooper i might suggest you do .  He was killed for exposing the UFO lies. He had a secret clearance the President of the U.S.A do not have since he worked in area 51.  He saw things only from a science fiction movie and was visited by men in black and told to shut up or else.  His conscience did not let him so after years of keeping silence he began again to let the cat out the hat till he was silenced about 3 years ago. 

Our reigning with Christ is a physical reign for those that remain and breed more children in the that 1,000 period.  We will be able to transform from spiritual to physical like Jesus did.At the end of the 1000 we will have the Great White Throne Judgment.  How that will take place God only knows.  But i can imagine people waking up to a futuristic world that will blow their mind!

Semper Fi

After Jesus hands our Father the Kingdom the spiritual kicks in  for everybody but we who will have overcome will know what life will be like already.    Right now we only know in part and prophesy in part.  But that's where our minds need to be always and we can comfort each other with such things as long as we keep it in its proper perspective.   That;s why i like Ray he ventured out the box and called this word buzzard and it is.  Just looking at water, just water is mesmerizing .  It can kill you or give you life.

My mind goes there at night in the sparkling on and off pixels of light that fills your mind's eye when i go to sleep.  The more you read the bible the more spiritual experiences you have in your dreams.

Most of this is nonsense. First of all the passage below is spurious meaning it was added and is not part of the scriptures.

Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Everything in red is nonsense.

None of what I've put in bold type can be proved in the scriptures.
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2018, 01:23:47 PM »

Wow very interesting!  i thought i leave this alone but no.

there is a lot of my own personal thoughts here and they are my thoughts that i shared!

Do you even know who Bill Cooper was???

Even Ray publicly said he did not know everything like the mistake with " preordaining" of things that takes place in life. 

I used no scriptures as we are not supposed to teach in this forum. 

My having dreams have nothing to do with what you or anyone believes but if you had known me you would not make such an attack.  I have had dreams and they have come to passed and i can prove it.  That is my personal relationship with the Eternal Father and if you knew my personal experience and how i got dragged to God and have seen the beast in me you would be a different man.

Acts 2:17 New International Version (NIV)
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see visions,
    your old men will dream dreams.

Such attacks are reasons why Kati, Moses etc left the forum, as i was told by them.  What happen to the unity of the spirit and most of all love.  Instead of admonishing you err.  Are jews the true people of israel, is israel not a black nation?  even Ray gave you hints on this.  Will you believe if i gave you scriptural prove they are not?  What does this have to do with this?  Everything! Because it helps understand why the world is the way it is.  Were there two  first man, one said yes another said no.  I believe what the scriptures said ONE ADAM and one blood which all nation came from.  If a man believes otherwise so be it.  But if i challenge that man i better be ready to give an answer.

As the moderator i expected a little bit more candid loving response.  This is not love but a confrontation. Since you have publicly challenged me i am asking for correction so that i may change. Not what Ray said but what you know from the Scriptures.  Ray is gone, Paul is gone now is you and God my friend. If you do this i will come back and let everyone know my error and will forever be grateful you gave me true direction.  You can PM me or email you have my email.

This message is for you personally and dont have to post it.  I have seen good people get derailed in this forum.  I have seen Ray sharp edge on some of his responses but i saw humbleness in Ray. 



 
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