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Johnny70:
Hi Dennis,
If vs 5 of Revelation Twenty is not part of the Bible then does not vs 6 say that "Blessed and holy is he that has a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of Christ, AND SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
From verse SIX ALONE we can see that the first resurrection of the dead is before the thousand years, which is at the Second Coming of Jesus.
I Thess 4:16 - " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of GOD: and the dead in Christ will rise FIRST" 17)"then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Does this not complete the list of those that are included as the elect in the FIRST RESURRECTION?
So it seems that there is not any other time space left - other than the SECOND resurrection happening AFTER THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED.
VS SIX backs up verse FIVE!
John
Porter:
--- Quote from: Johnny70 on December 13, 2018, 10:09:02 PM ---Hi Porter,
You seem to be on to something in part Porter - the days are shortened for the sake of the elect. Is this the meaning suggested here - saying only the elect - that the days are shortened for and not any other none elect persons? You say that this could be "an end to MY TRIBULATION". Interesting view of these texts. Pamela, is right they are awesome scriptures.
John
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Hi John, I can't say I completely understand it, but I do know that tribulation (for the Elect) ends at Christs advent and wrath (for the non-elect) also begins at Christs advent.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
How it relates to the end of the world and "wholesale DEATH" (as Ray put it) is still a mystery to me.
Like I said, I wrote that for confirmation and or correction from others in case I was totally off.
Johnny70:
Hi Porter,
This is an interesting subject. The statement by Jesus that says, " NIV If those days have not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." I believe that Ray Smith taught that statement meant - world conditions, The Day of the Lord and all events were to be cut short for all peoples not just the elect. This would make it possible for a small group of humans to be on this planet during a thousand year period of time when Christ would rule on this earth - Rev 19:15. I believe this is the teaching here.
John
John from Kentucky:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 15, 2018, 03:30:45 PM ---Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239
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Dennis,
I think we need to reconsider what we call spurious Scriptures.
After all, we do not have the original written writings of any Scriptures.
They are all copies of copies. The oldest copies of the Scriptures are about 300 years after Jesus's death. The present government of the United States has not existed for 300 years.
Therefore, you cannot call any verse spurious, if you cannot compare it against the original monograph.
The verse in Revelation makes sense if you make it a parenthetical statement, which I believe the CLV translators did. The Greek manuscripts we have did not use parentheses or other major punctuation.
Wanda:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on December 15, 2018, 03:30:45 PM ---Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239
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OOPS, sorry Dennis, without realizing it I did allude to the scripture even though I didn't include it, but honestly, with or without Rev 20:5 I don't see any way around 2 seperate and distinct resurrections.
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