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End Time Prophecies
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on July 07, 2019, 02:49:14 PM ---
Good comment Dennis,
I have a question about that scripture that one member mentioned to me.
Does that scripture say or attempt to say that "only the elect will be saved"?
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Or rather does it say that for the elect's sake, "some or a part of humanity will be saved alive by Jesus coming to intervene"?
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I would appreciate some clarification on that point...
Will there be a residue of fleshly humans remaining on the planet to occupy it during Jesus' reign?
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on July 06, 2019, 03:44:38 PM ---People in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).
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That scripture says 'flesh' and does not limit it to the elect. Besides, the elect will become judges and spirit beings, and have no need for the physical earth any more than Jesus needs a physical earth.
There are many scriptures that imply humanity will continue.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
indianabob:
Thanks Dennis for adding that info.
Some seem to state on other web sites that all flesh will be destroyed or changed to spirit and only Satan will remain on earth as his prison while events progress in the heavenlies until a following eon.
Didn't see the logic in that understanding so I asked.
Much appreciated. Bob
Porter:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on July 07, 2019, 02:54:50 PM ---Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Two terms here interest me: Hearing and diverse places.
Just a few hundred years ago it took months for news to travel a few thousand miles and most of the news from diverse places was never heard.
But now we can hear about anything on the planet in a few seconds. This is directed to this age IMO.
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Sincere question, how do we know those verses are not parables? I've always had trouble discerning the difference between the literal and spiritual, hence the question.
Is it possible, those verses you posted are parables explaining the tribulation of God's Elect? Here's a few verses that got me thinking this may be the case.
2Co 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Jas 4:1 What is the source of the wars and the fights among you? Don't they come from the cravings that are at war within you?
1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
Rev_11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev_12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
By the way, the word 'various' and or 'divers' from Matthew 24:7 is not in any of the literal translation of Scripture. Most of the time it's translated just as "place". Place is where we are.
The condition of the world has always been war, natural disasters and disease. Just because they didn't hear about them fast enough back then, does not mean anything imo. Then again, maybe I "spiritual-ize" away the Scripture needlessly.
If the people of the world start dying at a very fast rate, I think it will be due to something far more insidious and covert then nuclear war.
Dave in Tenn:
You shall hear...not the end.
Dennis Vogel:
Porter, a parable is a story or as Ray says a 'near' story. These verses do not tell stories like those identified as parables in the scripters.
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
So are all these things possible now? If not, what prophecies are not possible at this time?
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
How long is a 'generation'? I'm not sure but it's been about 73 years since the first atomic bomb was dropped and about 60 years since we had the capacity to kill everyone on the planet if indeed that's what is being described here. But it could be 'pestilence'? Only relatively recently have we had the means to travel to every corner of the earth in a matter of hours spreading disease.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Jesus tells us to Watch!
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