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End Time Prophecies
Wanda:
Friend Bob, thanks for the suggestion, but I'm familiar with the history. After thinking on it a bit I decided to delete my posts.
Dennis Vogel:
Isa 3:12 As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.
I cannot think of any other time when this was as far along as it is now? (let's try and keep politics out of this)
Rocco:
Isa. 1:7
Your country lies in ruins,
and your towns are burned.
Foreigners plunder your fields before your eyes
and destroy everything they see.
Wanda:
Hi Dean,
Thanks for your reply. It's taken me awhile to respond for lack of knowing how to, so I waited on God.
I don't wish to debate the issue over this land dispute, but do want to add some things to consider, regarding God's past dealings in history and the purpose behind them.
Should we apply how God dealt and interacted with his chosen people of that period in history, to the way God is dealing with man today, under the New Covenent of grace, or to anything that is contrary to his reasoning and purpose?
Every dealing and judgement upon man at that time was directly related to God's chosen people, how can we apply any of it to God's wrath on man today? The world at large does not know the one true God as the Israelites did, nor do the world leaders of this time know him as Pharaoh or his magicians did. God always revealed himself through his devine power, as well as making clear to those he was dealing with, the reason he was pouring out his anger on them. That was how he was able to be glorified, by them knowing he was the God of the Israelites and the reason he was wrathful in his dealings with them. Otherwise he would not have been glorified or even known for that matter.
I'm reminded of Jonah, God had raised him up to preach the Word to Nineveh, but Jonah knew the Assyrians would be God's agent of judgment upon Israel, and did not want them to repent and escape judgment. As the story unfolds, Nineveh was spared the judgment of God, and this made Jonah angry, because he knew they would soon come to conquer Israel and deport them to other lands. In Jonah chapter 4, there is communication between God and Jonah regarding his justified anger in the matter, but the short version is, Jonah was angry because he disagreed with the extent of the love of God. God's response to Jonah's anger...
Jonah 4
11 “And should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?”
I understand the right hand speaks of mercy, and the left hand of judgment. The Assyrians did not really know the difference, because they lacked the divine perspective, and so did Jonah, because he lacked the compassion and love that God had for non-Israelites.
I think God is speaking clearly in this matter, regarding how he glorifies himself, and it's not as man thinks he should, as Jonah himself learned.
In light of this, how can we attribute destructive acts of nature to God glorifying himself to those who are blind, and would neither know it was from God or see his great glory in it?
AwesomeSavior:
Hi Wanda:
Thanks for your questions. You asked, "Should we apply how God dealt and interacted with his chosen people of that period of history, to the way God is dealing with man today, under the New Covenant of grace, or to anything that is contrary to his reasoning and purpose?"
Well, of course I don't need to go into any detail of how God is dealing with his chosen spiritual people today, in his fiery grace and love in this age. Everyone who is an Elect knows that answer.
However, for the purpose of this thread entitled End Time Prophecies, my basis for making a connection between natural Israel and "this land dispute" is based on many different Scriptures, from both the Old and New Testament, and my belief that God is faithful to all His promises, originally made to Abram, regarding land ownership. Here are a couple of verses which you can reference regarding this old covenant: Genesis 12:7 and Genesis 15:18.
Going to the New Testament, I simply reference Romans 9:1-5, and various verses scattered throughout Romans 11, such as verses 1;2;11;12;14;15 and others.
Paul makes it clear that they are still Israelites, but obviously they are NOT SPIRITUAL Israelites, right? A SPIRITUAL Israelite is an Elect.
Put simply, my belief is that God is enforcing his original covenant with Abram and his seed, which is that the land from the Nile to the Euphrates (Genesis 15:18) belongs to them, and therefore anyone who messes with that covenant is playing with fire, so to speak. And this is why I am carefully watching what is happening in the news.
Regarding ancient Nineveh... God did have mercy on them with the prophet Jonah. Supposedly Jonah spent the rest of his life there, but I read a story a few years ago that ISIS had found his burial shrine in Nineveh and other artifacts, which are located in modern day Iraq, and blew them up for its idolatry.
However, regarding the mercy that was shown to the city, that was not the end of the story for Nineveh. If you read the entire three chapters of the book of Nahum, you will see that God eventually destroyed that whole city in His wrath for its violent dealings and arrogance. That city was occupied by the ancient Assyrians in the last few decades of its existence, who some consider the modern day version of terrorists like ISIS, due to their barbaric cruelty. It's not a pretty picture, and you can see that the wrath of God will be poured out on Nineveh as you read those chapters in Nahum. It was eventually destroyed in 612 B.C. by the Medes and Chaldeans, and its ruins were not discovered until the 1800's. They were "hid", as alluded to in Nahum 3:11.
By the way, there is a minor tropical storm developing in the Gulf of Mexico, but this one shouldn't be too bad. ;)
Dean
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