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Wanda:
Thanks for your reply Dean.

Yes, I do understand Nineveh was judged later, for not abiding by the laws of slavery, based on biblical law. (Ex. 21:2, 20, 21, 26, 27, etc.).
I think we also must consider, God always  operates under laws of his devine rule. To suggest he kills innocent people not related to a crime, is contrary to his own devine laws of justice. Otherwise, he would be calling into question his own Righteousness.

There is no doubt that under the Old Covenant Canaan was the Promised Land and the inheritance of Israel, but it was not the final fulfillment of the promises of God. What God did in Canaan was only an early pattern of what God intended for the whole world.

What I see throughtout the OT, all of the men of faith sought better promises than what the old land of Canaan had to offer. Was that not the nature of their faith?  Like Abraham, who was a model of faith,  they were all foreigners, even in their own land. Canaan was only a type that served as a temporary inheritance until that which was better would come.

Hebrews 11:

9 By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise.10 For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God.

13 All these died in faith, without receiving the promises, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance, and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14 For those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own.

15 And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.

16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

If these men of faith considered this physicall land of little importance,  why should we consider it important?

From my understanding, the main difference is that while Canaan was conquered by a physical sword under the Old Covenant, the world is to be conquered by a Sword of the Spirit under the New Covenent,.  I believe that would include the  land promised and those living on it today.



 

AwesomeSavior:
Hi Wanda:

You have stated, "To suggest he kills innocent people not related to a crime, is contrary to his own divine laws of justice. Otherwise, he would be calling into question his own Righteousness".

Have you never read Luke 13:1-5? Listen to what Jesus says here, very carefully: "There were some present at that very time who told him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

Jesus gave 2 examples of people that were either intentionally killed (Galileans), or in which they were killed in an accident (Siloam). Jesus knew their thoughts. They were thinking that somehow those people who died "had it coming to them", so to speak. Jesus told them that they, in YOUR words, were "innocent". But in reality, Wanda... Jesus makes it crystal clear that all of them were "sinners" and "offenders". NO ONE is innocent in the heathen world. The only exception is for us Elect, who have BEEN MADE the righteousness of Christ.

The Apostle Paul says in Romans 11:22..."Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off". Those are sobering words, both towards the Jews/world and to every Elect: "IF thou continue..otherwise...".

The Jews in the middle east are what Paul refers to as the natural branches (Romans 11:21,24), who were cut off (for now) so I and other Gentiles would be grafted into the good olive tree (Jesus). Fortunate are we, yes? Why was I chosen? I don't know. I'll share with you all something very interesting regarding those natural branches, a little bit amusing, but mostly sobering. I have seen firsthand how God responds to anyone who boasts against them (Romans 11:18,20,25), and it's a humbling experience for them. I saw one guy (supposedly an Elect) who stated online, "They're not even Jews!" and other ramblings over a short period of time, and you should have SEEN the DRAMA introduced into his life. I had another Elect friend of mine, who I was close to for a while, start forwarding me antisemitic literature, and in the name of the Lord, I told him to stop. Not only did he stop talking to me in email, but he became so bitter that God removed him from ANOTHER forum board. If anyone out there in cyberspace doesn't believe me, try it and see how God responds... Better yet, please DON'T try it.

Secondly, you ask: "If these men of faith considered this physical land of little importance, why should we consider it important?" Actually, I would argue that the physical land, (and the events I am watching!), does have a minor inward spiritual application, which I will discuss later. However, the reason for its significance today is understanding the signs of the times, and just how close we are to the end of this age. The creation of this thread, "End Time Prophecies", is NOT by accident. If anyone in the whole wide world should be watching these developments, it's God's Elect! Babylon is watching these developments, thinking that it pertains to them, hahaha. Sorry for them, but the Lord Jesus has "never known them", and they shall wail and gnash their teeth when they realize they're off to the Lake of Fire. Too bad for them.

Most people viewing this thread understand the precarious nature of the world today, in so MANY different realms. You remember when I said that we are coming up to the 2000 year anniversary of the death, burial, resurrection, ascension, and Pentecost of our Lord Jesus? Remember what Peter said? "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day" [2 Peter 3:8]. A friend of mine reminded me of another verse, which is Hosea 6:2..."After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." AFTER two days? Is all of this a coincidence? I speak as a fool.

And by the way... here is another example of what's eventually coming to this world, courtesy of Zechariah 14:16-19: "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."

Of course those four verses are all primarily spiritual. However, can you tell me... when in history has that ever been literally fulfilled? Did it happen when Jesus walked the Earth (the 1st time)? How about when Jesus walks the Earth a 2nd time? Ahhhhhhhhh  :). And which city is mentioned in those verses? Of course, that physical land has little importance, right?

To summarize my points, God can do with us human beings anything that He wants to do with us human beings, "goodness" and "severity". There is no one, Wanda, in the heathen world who is innocent (or righteous), no, not one. As Jesus said twice in Luke 13.. "repent or perish". Remember how God rebuked Job? "Who is this who darkens counsel by words without knowledge? (Job 38:2). I just had a cousin who died of Huntington's Disease, which is a nasty genetic affliction that leads to a prolonged deterioration and death. Her mother and sister had/have it as well. Why them? I don't know, but I do know it was God's will, and it could not have been any different. She had a good life, until the disease was manifested. God's goodness, and severity, on display. Is God responsible for that situation? Was God wrong to afflict her and her family with that nasty disease?

That piece of real estate in the middle east has a minor inward cleansing application for me, in that I am encouraged and rejoice in watching what is happening, KNOWING HOW CLOSE WE ARE to the end of this age. No matter what developments will be happening in any realm on this crazy planet, I know that the clock is running down, and this knowledge makes me very happy, glory to God. But I also realize, not everyone will believe me. Oh well, not my problem. However, I do intercede for every Elect, every day, that God will cause massive protection for you all regarding these natural events, so every one of you Elect out there are being petitioned for protection, especially as we move closer to The End. As I always say... stay tuned, more to come.........

Dean

Wanda:
Thanks Dean,
My statement about people of  innocence was in relation to God killing people with fires, storms etc. to send a message to a certain person. I've already explained my reasoning so I won't reiterate.

I can see we don't agree on this physicall land, but that doesn't mean I disagree on a future fullfillment of prophecy,  in relation to it.

Its my understanding once God's  glory departs from a certain place,  it never returns. God always does a new thing in another place, and  doesn't put new wine in old wineskins (Matthew 9:17). Hence, the ark was brought to the town of Kirjath-jearim (Hebron), where it remained for about 20 years (1 Samuel 7:2). From there, David took it to Jerusalem (2 Samuel 6:16). Solomon then put it in the Most Holy Place of his new temple.

A few centuries later, Jeremiah told the people that God was going to forsake that house and that place (Jerusalem) “as I have done to Shiloh” (Jeremiah 7:14). Why? Because Judah was guilty of the same thing that Ephraim had done in the days of Eli. They had put away the law, teaching people that they could sin with immunity, because they had been saved and were the chosen people under the covenant with God. Ezekiel saw the glory depart from the temple (Ezekiel 10:4, 19; and 11:22, 23). There is more, but I'll stop here.


--- Quote ---Zechariah 14:16-19
Did it happen when Jesus walked the Earth (the 1st time)? How about when Jesus walks the Earth a 2nd time? Ahhhhhhhhh  . And which city is mentioned in those verses? Of course, that physical land has little importance, right?
--- End quote ---

I don't believe it does, and I have many scriptural reasons for why,  but this seems a good place to agree to disagree I think.

AwesomeSavior:
That's fine, Wanda. Agree to disagree. We'll see what happens, eh?  As long as this age (And Thread) continues, I'll keep people posted on the substantial...   8)

AwesomeSavior:
Wanda... one other interesting thing... you mentioned in your last post the Ark of the Covenant... Do you know what happened to the Ark in Jeremiah's time?    :)

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