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End Time Prophecies
AwesomeSavior:
Nothing matters until it matters, eh John?
lareli:
Dean I hear what you’re saying about physical Israel not being insignificant or unimportant in Gods plans... the scriptures you provided are helpful.
But I don’t think the US has ever truly attempted to divide the land of Israel. Your source for believing this is the “headlines”. I think that the “headlines” have become a sort of “false prophet” when we take what they say as truth. One of the many uses of “headlines” are to influence how we feel and to influence what we believe to be true. They’re purpose is not always to give us unbiased truth.
In regards to dividing Israel, The US may go on record as saying they support this thing or that thing but has there ever been any real action to back it up? On the contrary what we do see as far as actual deeds done toward Israel, is massive amounts of money going from the US to Israel. Like Billions per year. I did a quick google search of ‘us aid to Israel per year’ and the first link says the US gives Israel something like 10million dollars per day!
No matter which party is in power the money flows. So far as I can tell the US occasionally gives lip service to the world in regards to supporting the land divide but in deed the US is very loyal to Israel.... BUT, I have not spent nearly as much time as you have studying this stuff so I may be totally off base here..
ZekeSr:
I believe we suffer the fate of our own sins, both collectively as a nation and as individuals. As far as the present-day nation of Israel is concerned, America looks to be its only friend at the moment. And as far as the promise to Abrahams seed whose physical descendants were not just the Jews, here are two excerpts from Ray’s “When the Towers Fall” which is well worth reading over again from time to time:
WHEN GENTILES ARE JEWS AND JEWS ARE NOT JEWS
[Is American Part of Prophecy?]
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Now for one of the most profound scriptural truths you will ever learn; nowhere taught or believed in Christendom.
According to virtually all Christian teachers and scholars, when prophecy mentions Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel, it is speaking of literal Jerusalem, Judah, or Israel. For them, if "context, context, context" is the god of theological interpretation, then "literal, literal, literal," has got to be their vice-god. If this is true, then when it speaks of "Abraham's seed," it must mean "literal" bloodline descendants of Abraham, correct? No, NOT correct! *
*The above emphasis was mine.... All the emphasis below is Ray's
According to God, are those literal, physical Jews of the racial line of Abraham who are circumcised in the flesh, "Jews." NO, former pagan Gentiles are the TRUE JEWS according to Scripture.
But weren't all the "promises" to Abraham for "HIS SEED? Yes, of course, but the question now is, "Who IS Abraham's seed?"
"Not as though the word of God has taken none effect [God is not contradicting here] . For they are NOT all Israel, which are Israel. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children, but, In Isaac shall your seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the FLESH, these are NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: but the children of the PROMISE ARE counted for the seed" (Rom. 9:6-8).
Yes, God intended from the beginning that the TRUE JEW, the SPIRITUAL JEW, the TRUE SEED of Abraham, the TRUE HEIR to the promises was to be the GENTILES!
"And if you [Paul is writing to GENTILE Galatians] be Christ's, then are you Abraham's SEED, and HEIRS according to the PROMISE" (Gal. 3:29).
Mike
Dennis Vogel:
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.
It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.
But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.
And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.
Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.
Wanda:
Thanks Dean. I see you have been quiet diligent in your efforts and I can not begin to know the path God leads you, however my views and understanding do differ.
I see the entire story of Israel under Moses and Joshua as an imperfect model of what should come later, for it was done under a covenant that was conditional upon the people’s keeping their vow in Exodus 19:8. This proved to be an utter failure, as history shows, for that kingdom eventually was destroyed and cast out of the land. God then began to set forth the New Covenant plan that could not fail, and this is what we see happening today.
Though the original plan failed as God intended, its revelation, laws, and historic patterns prophesied of the new plan that would succeed. For me, it feels wrong to apply the Old Covenant methods of conquest to New Covenant times, because the two covenants each employ a different kind of sword, one physical and the other spiritual.
The Jewish state has never been at rest since its inception in 1948, nor does anyone live securely.
God chose Abraham and his seed to be a blessing to all families of the earth.
Should we not expect the true, godly Jews of Israel today to be fulfilled by peace, righteousness, and justice as God intended? This is the contrast between the old Jerusalem and the New, between carnal and spiritual, between counterfeit and genuine.
Is a physically circumcised adherent of the Old Covenant a Jew in the eyes of God, and a true follower of Jesus Christ, the Mediator of the New Covenant?
As we know, God sees the end from the beginning, and just maybe he has planned something unexpected for the territory given to Abraham back in Genesis, it does after all belong to God, as all things do. Or perhaps we should view the territory as spiritual and not physical as Christianity does. The latter would certainly separate us from the world, with all it's deceitful political and religious trappings.
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