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Judging 12 Tribes
« on: July 04, 2019, 03:29:40 PM »

Luke 22:29  And I appoint a kingdom to you, as My Father has appointed to Me,
v. 30  that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

My question is: if the 12 tribes came out of Israel, then what about those who are not of the 12 tribes? (appointed Kingdom of the disciples)? I know about the grafting into a spiritual Jew but this is about tribes.  Is Jesus judging the rest (his appointed Kingdom)? Does everyone at some point become part of the 12 tribes? What am I missing? 


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Re: Judging 12 Tribes
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2019, 04:58:39 PM »

Diane, I don't want to wax theological on one verse, but it may help to remember that elsewhere He told these same Apostles that they would be judging angels/messengers.  One may well include the other, but one does not exclude the other.  Judging angels and the 12 tribes may not mean the exact same thing, but both are true.  Same with the 12 tribes and the world at large.  Even if these are separate "events", the "One Fire, Two Judgments" principle remains.

The saints will judge, but/and Jesus is Lord.

Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.


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Re: Judging 12 Tribes
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2019, 07:24:14 PM »

Hi Diane,

Below is an excerpt of Ray's LOF 4 series where he talks about the firtstfruits, which in turn relates to the 12 tribes of Israel, the spiritual Israel of God.

Excerpt from Lake of Fire #4 (

THE FIRSTFRUITS (Feast of Weeks): "All the best of the oil , and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the FIRSTFRUITS of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I given thee ... And whatsoever is FIRST RIPE in the land which they shall bring unto the Lord, shall be thine..." (Num. 18:12 & 13). "And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O Lord, has given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the Lord thy God" (Deut. 26:10).
COMMENT: The type in the New Testament of this Old Testament symbol is the Believer. Notice what James tells us, "Of His own will begat He us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of His creatures" (James 1:18). Now a very important point: How far down the road in prophecy can we go until we reach the end of the firstfruits? In Rev. 7:4-8 we read of the sealing of the 144,000. These are a different group from the great innumerable multitude, which no man could number, from every nation and tongue spoken of beginning in verse 9.
In Chapter 14:1 & 4 we are told specifically who these 144,000 are: "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand [notice that the innumerable multitudes from all nations is not mentioned here] ... These are they which were not defiled with women, for they are virgins [as in the Bride of Christ]. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:1 & 4). So every believer from the Apostles to the 144,000 just prior to the return of Jesus Christ to establish His reign on the earth, is called and likened to FIRSTFRUITS! So what does this have to do with the lake of fire? EVERYTHING! Everyone saved before the Day of Judging is likened to firstfruits, so there will be no more firstfruits after the white throne judgment.
Paul tells us in Rom. 8:23, "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the FIRSTFRUITS of the Spirit..." Nowhere do we read of the "LASTFRUITS," but whenever something is FIRST we also know there is something to follow. Nor are there any references to any "ONLYFRUITS." The firstfruits are clearly not the ONLY fruits! Follow this very closely now, for you are in for a big shock when you understand the type in the fall festival of Tabernacles—the great fall harvest."

We go through judgement ourselves now and later with Jesus we will judge the rest.

For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring"
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