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Judgement In This Age?
Wanda:
Interestingly it seems God has been communicating with me through questions lately.
The most recent was this morning while I was busy focusing on something I was doing. The question that popped into my mind was, what warning did God give prior to the attack on the twin towers. I was like WHAT, where did that come from? It did get me thinking and I decided I would do further study later, but before that happened I had another question pop into my head. How can we know a judgement is from God?
Almost immediately after the question came I was reminded of the White Throne Judgment. Knowing that the elect are the ones being judged in this age with the rest being judged at the White Throne Judgement, is I think key to this question I've been stuck on. Isn't that why God's wrath and judgement came on the nation of Israel in the destruction of Jerusalem? The Israelites were after all God's chosen people at that time.
This didn't come out of the blue though
My question about Gods judgement and when he executes it has been at the front of my mind for awhile, due to this doctrine of unhealthy fear, that is so prevelant in churches, I know I was in one; . As well as some other questions I've had. This seems to have been the piece of understanding that's resolved all of those, questions, unless I'm wrong of course.
The Apostle Paul says that God “has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness
Acts 17:31
Romans identifies it as “the day of wrath”
Rom. 2:5
Jude calls it “the judgment of the great day”
Jude 6
1 Peter 4:17
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
And then the judgement on the rest of mankind.
Revelation 20:11-15
In light of this how can I believe the attack on the towers on 9/11 was God's judgement on America, or any other disasters, including natural, that happen prior to the day of judgement God has set aside?
If I'm missing something of key importance, please point it out so I can resolve this. Thanks in advance.
Dave in Tenn:
Isa 26:8 Yea, Jehovah, in the path of Your judgments we awaited You; for Your name and for Your memory is the desire of our soul.
Isa 26:9 With my soul I desire You in the night; yea, with my spirit within me I diligently seek You. For when Your judgments are in the earth, those living in the world learn righteousness.
Isa 26:10 The wicked finds favor; he does not learn righteousness; he deals perversely in the land of honesty, and does not see the majesty of Jehovah.
There's a lot to digest in just those three verses, much less the entire chapter. Any one of them can send us on a bible-study of epic proportions--once we might begin to think "not topically", but spiritually. My short answer is simply this: Did the inhabitants of the world (or even of the US) learn righteousness? If not, then the promise of "righteous judgement" has not been fulfilled in those living in the world.
lareli:
Yes. Some did. Some did not.
Wanda:
No, its quiet obvious those in the world have not learned righteousness at this point in time.
Romans 2:5
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed
A future judgement for each one for his own works, at the White Throne Judgement. He judges in righteousness to teach righteousness, otherwise nothing constructive would be accomplished, by killing people, like in the event with the twin towers on 9/11.or with natural disasters, or even with an end time apocalyptic slaughter.
In Romans 1, Paul makes it pretty clear that in this age God has given mankind over to his own depravity until our Lord returns. I wouldn't expect any less from a just, righteous and loving God.
Romans 1
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Thanks Dave. I'll do a study on the scriptures you shared.
Wanda:
Another ever present question I have, why do people love their God of wrath and destruction so much, they'll run from truth that speaks to the love of God?
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