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Nelson Boils:
Hi All,

Matthew 27:46"And about three Jesus called out loudly: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabacthani” — that is to say, ‘O my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?"

Is there a place where Ray discussed this verse?

Porter:
Couldn't find anywhere Ray might have said something about this, but check out Psalm 22 to fill in the gaps.

Wanda:
This is a very small portion of a study I did a while back. Maybe it will benefit you in some way Rolihlahla.

What Jesus said does fullfill prophesy but it does not get to the meaning behind the words Jesus spoke. Why those specific words?

Isaiah 53

4
Surely he took up our pain
    and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
    stricken by him, and afflicted.

This scripture speaks to the heart of those words Jesus spoke in his final moments before humbling himself unto death.
We considered him punished and stricken by his own God. Those specific words were only to fullfill prophecy, and not because Jesus believed for one second his Father had abandoned him. Even on the cross he continued to do his fathers will, because the Father was with him every step of the way to comfort him in his extreme suffering. I get great comfort in knowing, although Jesus surely suffered,  he was never for one minute alone in any of it. I'm  also greatly  encouraged  from this fact, knowing if at some point I have to go through some extreme physical suffering , I'm comforted by knowing I will not have to endure it on my own either.

In addition we see in  Luke that Jesus speaks of the prophesies that must be fullfilled.

Luke 24:44,
[So Jesus] said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to you, while I was with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the Psalms, concerning me."

Again in  an example from John is that Jesus is hanging on the cross, and he cries out: I'm thirsty, and we read the  reason Jesus said he was thirsty wasn't so much because he was thirsty, but because he wanted to fulfill the Scripture.

my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink (Psalm 69:21). John understood that Jesus was conscious of fulfilling scripture. After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst (John 19:28).

Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit (John 19:29-30).

A study on this one subject can keep anyone busy for many hours,, with illuminating results.

Dave in Tenn:
Found this email exchange.

How are you doing Ray? Blessed I believe.
>
> I really appreciate the research that you have submitted yourself to under
> GOD's hand. I'm striving for such myself, (no flattery intended). I don't
> yet consider myself learned, but I'm aware of the holy spirits work in my
> life. I have a question for you if you will?, I have been hearing for a
> long time that when Jesus died on the cross he was seperated from the
> father, i don't find that in the scriptures atleast not in the sense that
> they are suggesting. They (ministers) constantly say that GOD turned his
> back on Jesus on the cross, I disagree with that... Jesus said I and the
> father are one. Even as Paul said i am convinced that nothing shall seperate
> us from the Love of GOD. Even though Jesus did go to the place of Sheol,
> how is it possible for him to take the keys from the Devil without authority
> upon hi gh, for without the spirit of GOD who is Jesus? There is another
> issue bothering me how they say Jesus said "Father why hast though forsaken
> me...?" which ties into the first question...Jesus was constantly aware, all
> through the gospel you hear him saying "its not my time yet," "Its not my
> time". If Jesus knew the intentions of GOD doesn't it seem like doubt for
> him to ask why have you forsaken me, considering that he was completely
> aware what the Fathers will was, and what was going to happen? Or was that
> the whole purpose of him saying it, to get us to identify with the
> sepration? Cause to me that seems like something the devil would say not
> GOD.
> Directly after he said that statement, He screamed and there was and
> earthquake, like something in the spirit realm took place, and then he says
> like it was nothing "It is done..." I think theres something else behind
> tha t But i don't believe for a second GOD turned his back on His only
> Begotten son, am I am wrong on this?
>
> May GOD further you...


No, David, neither do I believe that God "turned HIs back on His only Son."
There are those who teach it, however. Jesus quoted the first few words found
is Psalm 22 which goes on to describe just Who the Messiah was to be and the
purpose for Him being crucified.
God be with you,
Ray


Jesus, being crucified, identifies Himself as the Messiah in His usual way with the religious of His day--with just a snippet of Spiritual words to be Spiritually discerned.  They clearly had no clue what He was aiming at.  Even among some "universalists", spiritual understanding of His statement is lacking.  The rest of the 22nd Psalm is what those who knew it should have discerned from his statement, if they had had the Spiritual mind.

A bit more:  The very next Psalm is the very famous 23rd Psalm which common Christianity has essentially turned into "Jesus makes me feel better...sorry about you."

Musterseed:
Good day brothers and sisters

I was just wondering regarding this subject,the scripture Matt 27:46 .

What has Christianity taught on this over the years ?
I was on my walk this morning and thinking about Jesus on the cross and wondering
if Christians believe that God forsook His son and if that is what is taught in the churches
or if it is taught at all?

Thankyou
In Christ Pamela

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