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Gods Elect
octoberose:
I appreciate the thoughtful responses. As God usually does ( just like with those parables ) He doesn’t make this easy to see. I think I would never have seen it if someone ( starting with Ray ) hadn’t shown me.
I’ll look up all the verses you suggested Pamela .
I’m confused about this thing though . If the elect of God are with God, learning and growing for ‘1000 ‘ years , isn’t everyone else experiencing the second death and not on earth during that time? Or, does that come after ? I know I should know this but I have a hard time keeping it straight .
Wanda:
--- Quote ---I’m confused about this thing though . If the elect of God are with God, learning and growing for ‘1000 ‘ years , isn’t everyone else experiencing the second death and not on earth during that time?
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Octoberose, if this were true, who are these enemies Jesus must rule over until he puts them under his feet, in verse 25? We know God's elect are not his enemies.
1 Corienthians 15
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
I see this as an ongoing process, for those living at the return of our Lord. They will be learning the righteous ways of God without the interference of Satan, because he will be removed to keep him from deceiving the nations, as Rev. 20: tells us.
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven,having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan,and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
We have no idea how long that 1000 year represents, but it does culminate with the White Throne Judgment at the 2nd resurrection. REV 20: 11-15 if you read all of Rev 20 as well as Rev. 21 it might give you more insight.
Musterseed:
Hi Octoberose
A good read for the subject the second death is Hades and the Second Death, hell series Part E
THE SECOND DEATH IS JUDGEMENT AND JUDGEMENT IS THE SECOND DEATH.
caps are Rays. I always pay extra attention to Ray’s caps. 😃 God Bless You
In Christ
Pamela
ralph:
It is not something you can show people if God hasn’t prepared their hearts to receive it. Lord knows I have tried. As of now, the entire Orthodox Christian and Catholic church and Jews for that matter, believe they have been chosen even though the scriptures clearly teach that many are called but FEW are chosen.
I believe that God makes it known to you when he has chosen you out of the world to bear fruit. He shows you where you came from. He shows you what you are and what he is saving you from. As he brings you through various storms and trials you feel different as part of your old self dies. He opens your understanding. Your changing and growing. It’s a long process and he doesn’t keep you in the dark. You can’t make people see that if they haven’t experienced it. But this doesn’t mean you are necessarily God’s elect.
I believe the Elect of God are not the chosen but those who are called, chosen and FAITHFUL who endure to the end:
Revelation 17:14 New King James Version (NKJV)
14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
Dave in Tenn:
To be "elect" is to be "chosen". They mean the same thing. Chosen for what?
That word "faithful" in Rev. 17:14 has two connotations. Objectively, being trustworthy. Subjectively, having faith.
This passage goes with that verse, I think.
Joh 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
Joh 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
Joh 6:62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Joh 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
Joh 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
Joh 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.
Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Joh 6:71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.
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