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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
nshan:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 05, 2020, 09:18:17 AM ---
--- Quote ---I also don't think when Eve became the mother of all living leads to any different interpretation.
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I have not been following this. I have other things to deal with right now and I've barely skimmed it a few times. But I just saw the above.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
As Ray points out time and again. The bible is full of symbols, metaphors, etc. Neither verse should be taken literally.
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I understand that Dennis, but if Eve was spiritually dead how is she the mother of all spiritually living? You acknowledge the figures of old such as Noah and Moses were all real and they represented something for the elect of God for our admonishment and yet these were all their actual stories. I'm not sure where I should begin throwing out stories in the scripture I don't like because of the beliefs of the current Zeitgeist it just doesn't make sense at least not to me.
nshan:
--- Quote from: Heidi on March 05, 2020, 09:51:18 PM ---Here are my thoughts on the topic.
Starting with Adam:
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all,
forever praised.
Genesis 2:7
The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or
life, and the man became a living being (other translations says living soul).
Strong’s Concordance 5315 soul is nephesh, definition, a soul, living being, life, person, desire, passion,
appetite, emotion. The inner being of a man...continued “a living being” in Strong’s is chay it is and
adjective, feminine, noun, meaning alive, living...of man, a living man.
THEN COMPARE:
In Genesis 1:26 we read...Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them
rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over every creeping thing that
creepeth upon the earth” (The Neanderthal were hunter gatherers????)
It is still the same creation but in Genesis 2 we get told in greater detail how He did it, He breathed life
into his nostrils. I believe that Adam received Gods spirit, received knowledge of good and evil, ate the
forbidden fruit (having an understanding, learning contrasts), started tilling the ground, using tools,
becoming smart (smarter that the Neanderthals????)
They found skeletons older that 300 000 years old, fossils found at Jebel Irhoud, Morocco. There were
certainly other living beings before Adam was breathed life into. The difference is that from Adam
onwards, we follow Christs ancestry.
These were human beings who lived without having the knowledge of God (the forbidden fruit) but they
had a desire to worship something, I.e. the sun, the moon, the stars etc. Because now one is without
excuse to believe in a higher being by what is visible by what we see in nature and around us. It is in our
dna to want to believe in something.
Romans 1:20 “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine
nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are
without excuse"
Love
Heidi
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I understand what you're saying Heidi, but it doesn't explain everything. Why would Paul in Rom 5:12 state that by one man sin entered the world and death by sin. So the other humans you believe were around with Adam wouldn't have sinned. They were not in Adam. Therefore since they have no trespass, no knowledge, etc... they are not going to die since we know the soul that sins will die (Eze 18:20). I thought Christ sacrificed himself as a ransom for all since all have fallen short of the glory of God not some?
Wanda:
--- Quote ---I understand that Dennis, but if Eve was spiritually dead how is she the mother of all spiritually living?
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The promise of a Savior from man’s rebellious nature is something we see consistently throughout Scripture—from its origin in Genesis, all the way through to Christ’s ultimate victory in Revelation.
God promised that through the Seed (i.e., descendant) of a woman (Eve) would come one who would crush the head of Satan. This is the first promise of a Savior to come into the world to save ALL MANKIND. Genesis 3:14–15
With the woman’s seed is a hope for life that defeats death, hence the mother of all living
The seed of the woman would redeem All of humanity, and not just the elect.
Is this not Gods plan for mankind since before their creation?
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
Hebrews 2:14–15
14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject.
Dennis sees something in addition, that's just beyond my reach.
Wanda:
Nshan,
Mike started a thread, "First People" and the subject of other people was well discussed @ 6 pages.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,17135.0.html
One of Mike's comments I thought was a real eye opener, but there are many others too.
--- Quote ---And the “real Eve” is the Word, the Starting Point, the Helper who came out from God, the Creator of all that exists in the Universe, the “Mother” of all living.
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We all sin and fall short of God's glory, so I'm confused why you would say Eve can't be the mother of all living because she's spiritually dead. Are we all spiritually dead?
nshan:
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 06, 2020, 03:39:00 AM ---Nshan,
Mike started a thread, "First People" and the subject of other people was well discussed @ 6 pages.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,17135.0.html
One of Mike's comments I thought was a real eye opener, but there are many others too.
--- Quote ---And the “real Eve” is the Word, the Starting Point, the Helper who came out from God, the Creator of all that exists in the Universe, the “Mother” of all living.
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We all sin and fall short of God's glory, so I'm confused why you would say Eve can't be the mother of all living because she's spiritually dead. Are we all spiritually dead?
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I didn't say that Wanda. She is the mother of all living, but she was spiritually dead or do you not agree? Because of Jesus Christ we are not all spiritually dead, but we should reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive for Him. Without Him there is no life. I'm confused how I can be completely clear and yet you're interpreting it as though I'm saying Eve isn't the mother of all living? I don't understand how any of your previous comments negates what I'm saying.
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