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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---I also don't think when Eve became the mother of all living leads to any different interpretation.
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I have not been following this. I have other things to deal with right now and I've barely skimmed it a few times. But I just saw the above.
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
As Ray points out time and again. The bible is full of symbols, metaphors, etc. Neither verse should be taken literally.
indianabob:
Hi Dennis,
Relating to what we believe in faith, I understand that Matt 8:22 is very literal.
Jesus was responding to a man of faith who was asking to follow Jesus and support his ministry.
That Jesus welcomed him and told him to let the "dead" carry out the funeral rituals is very instructive of how we should think of our own position with Jesus as our leader and savior.
Why? Because the term "the dead" refers to those of the man's family without faith.
e.g. Those of Israel who had not yet come to believe that Jesus truly was their Messiah.
Please correct me if I misunderstand.
Indiana B
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: indianabob on March 05, 2020, 04:06:20 PM ---Hi Dennis,
Relating to what we believe in faith, I understand that Matt 8:22 is very literal.
Jesus was responding to a man of faith who was asking to follow Jesus and support his ministry.
That Jesus welcomed him and told him to let the "dead" carry out the funeral rituals is very instructive of how we should think of our own position with Jesus as our leader and savior.
Why? Because the term "the dead" refers to those of the man's family without faith.
e.g. Those of Israel who had not yet come to believe that Jesus truly was their Messiah.
Please correct me if I misunderstand.
Indiana B
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True, but the 'dead' were not literally 'dead' were they?
Jesus did not mean for literally 'dead' people to carry out a funeral. That's impossible.
So it is not literal. It's symbolic.
The Bible Does Not Say What It Means: https://youtu.be/-P6d56OOhCY
indianabob:
Hi again Dennis,
You make a valid point.
However if we take what was written according to how the people of that day and time would have understood it (without lots of explanation because they were accustomed to speak in a familiar manner) then I believe that the hearer would have understood it spiritually without any explanation such as we who depend upon a translation would need.
Please also consider the following verse from Matthew 10:
Mat 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Also in Luke 14:
Luk 14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not [love less] his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Luk 14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
Luk 14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
Luk 14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
Luk 14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Hoping to add a little light...Bob
Heidi:
Here are my thoughts on the topic.
Starting with Adam:
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised.
In Genesis 2:7
The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or life, and the man became a living being (other translations says living soul).
Strong’s Concordance 5315 soul is nephesh, definition, a soul, living being, life, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion. The inner being of a man...continuing with "living being” in Strong’s is the word "chay" and it is an adjective, feminine, noun, meaning alive, living...of man, a living man.
NEXT COMPARE:
In Genesis 1:26 we read...Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth” (The Neanderthal were hunter gatherers? They were not tilling the ground yet)
It is still the same creation event but in Genesis 2 we get told in greater detail how He did it, He breathed life into his nostrils.
I believe that Adam received Gods spirit, received knowledge of good and evil, ate the forbidden fruit (having an understanding, learning contrasts), started tilling the ground, using tools,
becoming smart (smarter that the Neanderthals?)
They found skeletons older that 300 000 years old, fossils found at Jebel Irhoud, Morocco. There were certainly other living beings before Adam was breathed life into. The difference is that from Adam onwards, we follow Christs ancestry.
These were human beings who lived without having the knowledge of God (the forbidden fruit) but they had a desire to worship something, I.e. the sun, the moon, the stars etc. Because now one is without excuse to believe in a higher being by what is visible by what we see in nature and around us.
It is in our DNA to want to believe in something bigger than us. In
Romans 1:20 we read, “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities – his eternal power and divine nature – have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse"
Love
Heidi
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