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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
ZekeSr:
--- Quote from: nshan on March 04, 2020, 01:14:04 AM ---I thought nephilim meant tyrants and mighty ones not fallen as it would imply nephulim / nophelim from naphal, not nephilim, which would make a lot more sense. There are also strange teachings that carry on with the fallen angels fables that tie into this. Also I doubt Eve could be the mother of all living if there was more than one Adam. If there was more than one Adam then salvation really is only for a few and the scriptures contradict when they say things like that Adam was first formed etc. I'm beginning to understand more and more why Paul wrote to not focus on genealogies as not everyone has this knowledge nor would I like to break anyone's faith if they like these lineage shenanigans. I really don't think neanderthals = nephilim. I will have to look more into this since the scriptures are pretty bulletproof and Ray's old writings on Adam before he said multiple Adams made the most sense... at least to me.
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Hello Nshan,
Nephilim can certainly mean mighty ones and I have no problem with that. I was remiss in not mentioning it myself. Nevertheless, it is from the root word naphal which indicates "to fall, cease, or die." It is almost certainly a connotation of both meanings, but I'm reading it in the framework of Scripture that was written looking back into the past. No the Nephilim do not necessarily have to be Neanderthals. But, so far, the only two species of known human that existed at the same time as "us" were large, powerful, related to each other, and now extinct.
As far as I'm concerned, the interpretation of fallen angels mating with human women is nothing but heretical B.S. and makes no sense whatsoever.
Concerning Eve:
Gen 3:20 "And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she BECAME the mother of all living" is a more literal translation which can have a whole different implication.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't ever remember Ray suggesting more than one Adam. Yes he did say there were people on the earth before Adam, but that is scientifically indisputable and not unscriptural. Personally, I have always thought the lineage of Adam and Eve was simply showing the route created leading to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I welcome any further opinion you may have. That's how we learn.
Mike
Wanda:
I dug a bit deeper and discovered "the fallen ones" are all those who have died by the sword. The mighty ones were the warriors that were known for their reign of terror on the nation's of that time. In this regard they don't exist anymore, but we only need to look at history to know others rose up after them. Today, these mighty ones, are the terrorists groups in the ME Nothing new under the sun.
Ezekiel 32
12 I will cause your hordes to fall
by the swords of mighty men—
the most ruthless of all nations.
22 “Assyria is there with her whole army; she is surrounded by the graves of all her slain, all who have fallen by the sword.23 Their graves are in the depths of the pit(AH) and her army lies around her grave.(AI) All who had spread terror in the land of the living are slain, fallen by the sword.
ZekeSr:
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 04, 2020, 03:48:10 PM ---Ezekiel 32
12 I will cause your hordes to fall
by the swords of mighty men—
the most ruthless of all nations.
22 “Assyria is there with her whole army; she is surrounded by the graves of all her slain, all who have fallen by the sword.23 Their graves are in the depths of the pit(AH) and her army lies around her grave.(AI) All who had spread terror in the land of the living are slain, fallen by the sword.
I think the fallen ones are all those who have fallen by the sword.
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Quite true, Wanda.
And no one knows what eventually happened to the Neanderthals. Perhaps, on the whole, they too fell by the sword.
Mike
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Quite true, Wanda.
And no one knows what eventually happened to the Neanderthals. Perhaps, on the whole, they too fell by the sword.
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Mike
I was editing my post while you were replying.☺
Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
There is a duality as well. The sons of God fell from their spiritual heights into moral decay after marrying into the families of these spiritually devoid people. Thus the wickedness spread until no one in the land could be found righteous among them, except Noah. As always the many and the few.
nshan:
--- Quote from: ZekeSr on March 04, 2020, 03:38:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: nshan on March 04, 2020, 01:14:04 AM ---I thought nephilim meant tyrants and mighty ones not fallen as it would imply nephulim / nophelim from naphal, not nephilim, which would make a lot more sense. There are also strange teachings that carry on with the fallen angels fables that tie into this. Also I doubt Eve could be the mother of all living if there was more than one Adam. If there was more than one Adam then salvation really is only for a few and the scriptures contradict when they say things like that Adam was first formed etc. I'm beginning to understand more and more why Paul wrote to not focus on genealogies as not everyone has this knowledge nor would I like to break anyone's faith if they like these lineage shenanigans. I really don't think neanderthals = nephilim. I will have to look more into this since the scriptures are pretty bulletproof and Ray's old writings on Adam before he said multiple Adams made the most sense... at least to me.
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Hello Nshan,
Nephilim can certainly mean mighty ones and I have no problem with that. I was remiss in not mentioning it myself. Nevertheless, it is from the root word naphal which indicates "to fall, cease, or die." It is almost certainly a connotation of both meanings, but I'm reading it in the framework of Scripture that was written looking back into the past. No the Nephilim do not necessarily have to be Neanderthals. But, so far, the only two species of known human that existed at the same time as "us" were large, powerful, related to each other, and now extinct.
As far as I'm concerned, the interpretation of fallen angels mating with human women is nothing but heretical B.S. and makes no sense whatsoever.
Concerning Eve:
Gen 3:20 "And the man called the name of his wife, Eve; because she BECAME the mother of all living" is a more literal translation which can have a whole different implication.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't ever remember Ray suggesting more than one Adam. Yes he did say there were people on the earth before Adam, but that is scientifically indisputable and not unscriptural. Personally, I have always thought the lineage of Adam and Eve was simply showing the route created leading to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I welcome any further opinion you may have. That's how we learn.
Mike
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I have trouble understanding how can it be a connotation of both meanings if you're just confusing nephulim / nophelim with nephilim?
I also don't think when Eve became the mother of all living leads to any different interpretation. What are you trying to imply? We either all are from Adam or not. I highly doubt there was any person before Adam since he was the first formed, if there were then the scriptures do contradict. Eve can't be the mother of all living if she is not. We can't all die in Adam if we're not all in Adam. By one man sin entered the world not by some. We're now entering into the realm of square circles.
I also don't agree with things being "scientifically indisputable" as all theory is merely that: theory. There are many superseded theories. Even the axioms themselves that we take for granted in math are merely assumptions.
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