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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
Heidi:
In Roman's 8:20-21 we read,
"20For the creature was made subject to vanity: not willingly, but by reason of him that made it subject, in hope. 21Because the creature also itself shall be delivered from the servitude of corruption, into the liberty of the glory of the children of God."
Strongs 3937 of creature is ktisis and its definition is creation (the act or the product)
We are all God's creation, Homo erectus, Homo sapiens, Neanderthal, people who lived 300 000 years ago etc.
It is only now in this period of grace that God has revealed the mystery of His truth. We are the kingdom of God in which he is building his church, the first fruits.
"The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed." Remember what we've been taught, that it is Christ who is, was and will be until he comes again.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---I believe you think the above verse Gen 3:20 doesn't say that because you don't even have multiple witnesses, so perhaps you don't even fully understand it or the implications of what you're saying (casting people off from the family of God). Do you really want to believe we're not all God's offspring through Adam (first the physical one and then the spiritual one) and he isn't far from any one of us? Isn't that what Paul said, or are we not really all in Adam?
--- End quote ---
Nshan,
I do understand your frustration.
The verse is confusing if we only see it as literal and not symbolic of something much bigger. The bigger, is Jesus, the Savior of All. Not that Eve was literally the mother of All. If we can only see the literal how will we ever see the spiritual? First the natural then the spiritual. Eve is the natural, Jesus is the spiritual and the message in Genesis 3:20 Is a spiritual one.
God promised that through the Seed (i.e., descendant) of a woman (Eve) would come one who would crush the head of Satan. This is the first promise of a Savior to come into the world to save ALL MANKIND. Genesis 3:14–15
Is this not a witness?
Not one of us here is casting anyone out of the family of God, nor would We want to. We believe the word of God that tells us of his magnificent plan to save ALL OF MANKIND, NOT JUST A FEW.
Heidi:
Hi Nshan response to my post you ask:
"the world and death by sin. So the other humans you believe were around with Adam wouldn't have sinned. They were not in Adam. Therefore since they have no trespass, no knowledge, etc... they are not going to die since we know the soul that sins will die (Eze 18:20). I thought Christ sacrificed himself as a ransom for all since all have fallen short of the glory of God not some?"
That is an absolute truth, He did sacrifice himself as ransom for all.
We read in Roman's 2:12-16
"12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.)
Roman's 11:33-36 (one of my favorite sculptures)
"33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and i knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34“Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” 35“Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."
God made sure to cover everything.....believe in His Sovereignty
Heidi:
--- Quote from: Wanda on March 07, 2020, 05:28:16 PM ---God promised that through the Seed (i.e., descendant) of a woman (Eve) would come one who would crush the head of Satan. This is the first promise of a Savior to come into the world to save ALL MANKIND. Genesis 3:14–15
Is this not a witness?
Not one of us here is casting anyone out of the family of God, nor would We want to. We believe the word of God that tells us of his magnificent plan to save ALL OF MANKIND, NOT JUST A FEW.
--- End quote ---
Well said Wanda, also another witness is Roman's 1:2 "2the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David" other translations say " to his human nature" was a descendant of David.
Heidi
Wanda:
--- Quote ---Roman's 11:33-36 (one of my favorite sculptures)
"33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and i knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! 34“Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” 35“Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen."
God made sure to cover everything.....believe in His Sovereignty
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Amen to that Heidi. Thanks for addressing Ishan's question, it was spot on.
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