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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
octoberose:
From Pamela:
Perhaps it is both literal and symbolic if we read it as, she will become or she became the mother of all living, as Octoberose explained about being a mother, but not the mother of her husbandI. Although I'm struggling to see anything but the symbolism.
Me- Well, she was physically a mother, she begat the humans that begat all the other humans and the rest would be symbolic. Isn't Abraham the Father of Many Nations ?
Heidi, I just do not put my faith in science. In fact, most of our world seems to worship the god of science and many scientist are atheist because it takes faith to 'see' God.
My husband has a PhD. It is in a social science , not a physical science, but never the less you learn statistics and probability and you learn how studies are constructed and you see the flaws and you learn the scientific method. He would tell you that everything, weather it is in the guise of science or not, is up for interpretation and the bias of the one constructing the study. Even theoretical mathematics is up for interpretation as they 'prove' and 'disprove' their theories . In the case of the study that you referred to, it is easy to find it and easy to see that even among evolutionist that the study has its critics. And which is it, 150,000 or 200,000 years ago? They don't know because they are limited. I won't link it here because I don't think we are suppose to, but look up AAAS, October 28, 2019 ' Experts questions study claiming to pinpoint birthplace of all humans'
And on a different note, I have read about carbon dating fossils and objects and how subjective that is, and if you were to date something back to creation we must remember that carbon at the beginning of the world was probably quite different then carbon now ( think lots and lots of carbon compared to now). I don't know, I'm not a scientist, I am just a believer . I'm pretty simple .
But what I really don't get is if God made other humans that would just stink for them. To be human but not good enough to be made in the image of God? That stinks. What purpose did they serve ?
Did Christ die for them? And if, as Ray believed, the flood was only local, did they all die ? If they were not related to the first man, Adam, how can they be redeemed by the last man, Jesus ?
I don't know. God will do as He does and we will be enlightened in the end. I'm going to claim what I know from Scripture and the Spirit will either open my eyes or close them, as He wills.
Heidi:
Octoberose, I agree with your statement "God will do as He does and we will be enlightened in the end. I'm going to claim what I know from Scripture and the Spirit will either open my eyes or close them, as He wills."
In no shape or form does this discussion distract me from the spiritual truths I've learned on this site and that salvation is for all.
Heidi
Joel:
Actually this post and the scriptures I searched out have made me more sure that there are giants in the earth.
Numbers 13:33- And there we saw the giants, the son's of Anak, which were come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:10-11The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; 11-Which also were accounted giants, as Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 9:2-A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
Deuteronomy 3:11-For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
13-And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of the giants.
Joshua 15:8-And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward.
18:16-And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
Joshua 17:15-And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
1 Samuel 17:4-And there came out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. (about 9ft 3 inches)
2 Samuel 21: 16-22
1 Chronicles 20:4-8
I believe that there was a primitive earth, and that many things that happened during that time has been dug up and put on display by the scientific world. I think the bones first found in the Neander valley belonged to a small population that was swallowed up by a larger population. Much like the way the people of Europe came to America, killed, brought disease, and intermarried with the people of the area.
Jude 6-And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.
My question is when in history did this first happen, and what was going on at that time?
Joel
Dennis Vogel:
Science tells us there were people like us (not Neanderthals) 20k, 50k and some even say 100 thousand years ago. This is a long time before Adam and Eve according to 'church' doctrine which tells us the world is only 6,000 years old.
'Church' doctrine also says Adam and Eve were the very first humans.
Wanda:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on March 10, 2020, 11:50:55 AM ---Science tells us there were people like us (not Neanderthals) 20k, 50k and some even say 100 thousand years ago. This is a long time before Adam and Eve according to 'church' doctrine which tells us the world is only 6,000 years old.
'Church' doctrine also says Adam and Eve were the very first humans.
--- End quote ---
We know Ray diligently studied God's word, so no one can accuse him of not showing himself worthy. It's for this reason I cannot disregard what Ray saw. I wasn't in the bull sessions where he most likely disclosed more on the subject that I've not been able to see. Maybe he explained how God did that in relation to when Adam was created approximately 6000 years ago. Or is that 6,000 years representative of when he brought Adam into the garden?
I've considered the first man Adam was created many years ago, and the Adam in Genesis 2 is just the account of how God created man. And the Adam in the garden was a descendant, chosen from among the humanity God created. A starting point in his plan, of salvation for all. If that were true, then all are in Adam. Problem solved. :D
Maybe this is just to simple.
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