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Another Possible Example of Where Proper Translation Meets Science
Musterseed:
Amen Mike
indianabob:
--- Quote from: ZekeSr on March 13, 2020, 09:25:39 AM ---Regardless of an atheistic view seemingly being a requirement for MEMBERS of the scientific community (and almost a religion in and of itself), TRUE PROVEN SCIENCE in-and-of-itself is not the enemy of religion. On the other hand… misinterpreted, misunderstood, closed minded religious dogma is, and always has been, the enemy of science.
One of the things I always found fascinating and different about Ray… different from anyone else that I know of… was his ability and willingness to use TRUE PROVEN SCIENCE as another tool (not the only tool, but a steppingstone) to tenaciously dig deeper into Scripture and patiently wait for God to begin to open his eyes to the valid meaning, and often the subtext, behind the words.
Mike
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Hi Mike
Thanks for the observation. The struggle to learn as much as we can seems never to end.
Bob
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In the mathematical sense, despite all the years of researching the way the universe works, science has proved nothing.
Every theoretical model is a good description of the universe around us, at least within some range of scales that it is useful.
But exploring into new territories reveals deficiencies that lower our belief in whether a particular description continues to accurately represent our experiments, while our belief in alternatives can grow.
Will we ultimately know the truth and hold the laws that truly govern the workings of the cosmos within our hands?
While our degree of belief in some mathematical models may get stronger and stronger, without an infinite amount of testing, how can we ever be sure they are reality?
I think it is best to leave the last word to one of the greatest physicists, Richard Feynman, on what being a scientist is all about:
"I have approximate answers and possible beliefs in different degrees of certainty about different things, but I’m not absolutely sure of anything"
;) Of course we have the advantage on Mr. Feynman in that we know that God loves us...by the gift of faith.
Wanda:
--- Quote ---One of the things I always found fascinating and different about Ray… different from anyone else that I know of… was his ability and willingness to use TRUE PROVEN SCIENCE as another tool (not the only tool, but a steppingstone) to tenaciously dig deeper into Scripture and patiently wait for God to begin to open his eyes to the valid meaning, and often the subtext, behind the words.
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From personal experience, God can use anything of this world to enlighten our understanding of his word, Ray did not take his call to teach God's word lightly, and relied on him greatly for understanding. Why wouldn't God use the truth of science to reach those who believe God and science aren't in agreement, or disprove the bad science? God can and does use everything for his good work.
Wanda:
I'm reading the book of John and one thing led to another until I arrived where I am.
Genesis 1 CLV
1 Created by the Elohim were the heavens and the earth.
2 Yet the earth became a chaos and vacant, and darkness was on the surface of the submerged chaos. Yet the spirit of the Elohim is vibrating over the surface of the water.
I never saw this before. God first created and at some point after, the earth became a chaos? If Ray talked about this somewhere , I would be grateful if someone could direct me to the information.
Isaiah 45:18 tells us God did not create the earth a chaos and formed it to be indwelt.
This seems to imply that mankind was in the earth prior to what plunged the earth into chaos, and possibly after.
Then in Genesis 3-4
3 And saying is the Elohim, "Become light!" And it is becoming light.
4 And seeing is the Elohim the light, that it is good. And separating is the Elohim between the light and the darkness.
In Genesis 1:3-4 I'm seeing that this light is Jesus sent to bring order out of this darkness and chaos.
There are many places a mind can go with this. For me, one of the first is past civilations, followed by scientific discoveries God is always blowing my mind.
Musterseed:
Transcript #7,,,, Genesis and the Big Bang 😃
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