Alright, but to be fair I did not call anyone a blind parrot. I asked if they were brick walls, parrots, or humans. I used sarcasm to assume everyone was a person here. Which they are.
Heidi you stated earlier:
"There were certainly other living beings before Adam was breathed life into. The difference is that from Adam onwards, we follow Christs ancestry."
And now you state
"I believe that Adam was first formed and then Eve."
Out of all the humans of the Earth which is it? This is what I mean by contradiction. You can't believe both Adam being first formed and not. If by first formed you mean "well, not really at all or ever" then okay fine.
Dennis, I am taking everything into consideration. In Genesis chapter 4 Cain and Abel's births are emphasized. I highly doubt they were Adam and Eve's only children. It was much later until Adam had a child of his likeness: Seth. If Genesis included every last detail, and was purely chronological, it wouldn't make any sense as some details are re-stated multiple times. Many books do the same thing as some authors hide details or want their readers to figure things out themselves usually with big hints. I assume you know this. Also, Moses said that after his death the children of Israel would utterly corrupt themselves (Deut. 31:29) They barely found the book regarding the law years later ( 2 Ki 22:8 ). I will let you think about what that means. Genesis was written for the children of Israel (in the flesh and now in the spirit) but if you can't even believe the flesh...
Who do you think the sons of God are? Who do you think those people are? Acts 17:28. Do you realize how many years Adam and his children lived? Do you also realize that Adam's lineage is emphasized up to Noah but not all of his descendants?
From Ray in Why God Loves You:
`Luke's gospel traces Jesus' genealogy through His mother Mary's father. Does that genealogy end with Adam and Eve? No it doesn't. Let's read it:
"Which was the son of Enos [Enoch], which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son OF GOD!"
Likewise, ALL of our genealogies will take us back through our parents, grand parents, great grandparents, etc., etc., until we come to our Truly GREAT Father, not Adam, but GOD! WE ARE ALL OF THE RACE OF GOD!`
"There was no one except his mother and father at that time according to the church."
What does the above even prove? The church also believes King David was a king. Will you now believe that King David was never a king?
Also Dennis first you say for 1Co 15:22:
1Co 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
All this is saying is we all die (all sin?) just like Adam. It does not say Adam was the first human.
Then all of a sudden scripture says:
1Ti 2:13 - For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
Then all of a sudden, oh boy, God has a DAY (now don't go crazy on me, I know it's not TWENTY FOUR HOURS) in which he creates man and called him ADAM:
Gen 5:1-2 - This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man in the likeness of God made he him. Male and female created he them and blessed them, and called their name Adam in the day they were created.
Your thoughts do not line up with what the scriptures even state. You say death by sin, yes but this was passed on from who? Adam. Are we all in Adam or not? The scriptures are not contradicting at all nor does it even appear that way.
1Co 15:22 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Perhaps 'death' and 'alive' also have dual meanings here?
You are right, and...?
Dave, I don't disagree with Ray's earlier writings in Why God Loves You as to our origin which matches the scripture. I use the term "other Adams" to emphasize the belief of those previous to Adam so that we are not all in Adam.
If you can biblically explain where the 'everyone', 'they', etc. came from then I'll take another look. But for now it makes more sense to me that the 'dead' and the 'living' can sometimes be figures of speech and not always literal.
I showed you scripture that explains exactly where humankind came from and you don't even humor it. We are all his offspring, Acts 17:28, from who?
If you want I will stop discussing this as now I realize not in all is this knowledge. But this is still just crazy to me. If you fear men and want to believe in whatever the wisdom of this world believes in about our origin that's fine, but at least be honest and not mix it up with what the scriptures actually say about who and what we are and will be.