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Couple questions - Leviticus / Galatians
octoberose:
Wanting to understand the why of God is what we humans seek, but it is pretty futile . We do not yet have the mind of Christ . I think it’s also presumptive . Who are we to question God ? Every time I do it He responds with silence . I get nothing . When I respond with Faith, then I get answers - usually in the form of Peace. Sometimes I even get knowledge or wisdom.
Gods judgements in the Old Testament are exactly what we deserve. You dishonor God - death You disobey your mother and father - death . Adultery - death. I could go on and on with different infractions and Gods judgement to it but you get the idea .
And then it’s as if God says , Do you get it now ? You will never be reconciled to me . I am so far above you and your thoughts are sinful all day long . But I do Love you and even love comes at a cost . His name is Jesus - and he is the best part of me .He is coming down there to walk among you and humble himself to be in the form of a man. ( but you should see him now because He is really splendid ! ) It breaks my heart, but the only way you can be reconciled to me is if we make this sacrifice . It always had to be this way. I was just waiting for the right time . And you will despise him and use him for your own means and you will kill him. But when he is resurrected and defeats death - well that’s a game changer . And then some of you will be transformed and eventually all of you will see our glory.
Jesus is a Teacher , and he taught us with his own words that he was going to make it possible to forgive our enemies and turn the other cheek and walk the extra mile. The rule book became the book of grace . There is a time for everything .
Dennis Vogel:
Christians Do Not Have To Love Terrorists: https://youtu.be/PT7CANf88VY
nshan:
--- Quote ---Wanting to understand the why of God is what we humans seek, but it is pretty futile . We do not yet have the mind of Christ . I think it’s also presumptive . Who are we to question God ? Every time I do it He responds with silence . I get nothing . When I respond with Faith, then I get answers - usually in the form of Peace. Sometimes I even get knowledge or wisdom.
Gods judgements in the Old Testament are exactly what we deserve. You dishonor God - death You disobey your mother and father - death . Adultery - death. I could go on and on with different infractions and Gods judgement to it but you get the idea .
And then it’s as if God says , Do you get it now ? You will never be reconciled to me . I am so far above you and your thoughts are sinful all day long . But I do Love you and even love comes at a cost . His name is Jesus - and he is the best part of me .He is coming down there to walk among you and humble himself to be in the form of a man. ( but you should see him now because He is really splendid ! ) It breaks my heart, but the only way you can be reconciled to me is if we make this sacrifice . It always had to be this way. I was just waiting for the right time . And you will despise him and use him for your own means and you will kill him. But when he is resurrected and defeats death - well that’s a game changer . And then some of you will be transformed and eventually all of you will see our glory.
Jesus is a Teacher , and he taught us with his own words that he was going to make it possible to forgive our enemies and turn the other cheek and walk the extra mile. The rule book became the book of grace . There is a time for everything .
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Then I guess it is correct then that the just shall live by faith (Hab 2:4, Rom 1:17, Gal 3:11, Heb 10:38) -- that's definitely quoted a lot. All sin leads to death since the wages of sin is death. Still stuck on the "why" part. I don't know if anything in this life is deserved, even death if it's all from God. Still a lot to learn. But you're right since with God all things are possible.
--- Quote --- Christians Do Not Have To Love Terrorists: https://youtu.be/PT7CANf88VY
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Is this the highest love? :
And thou shalt love (G25 - agapao) the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (Mar 12:30)
As the Father hath loved (G25) me, so have I loved (G25) you: continue ye in my love (G26 - agape). (John 15:9)
Is this the weakest love? :
But I say unto you which hear, Love (G25 - agapao) your enemies, do good to them which hate you, (Luke 6:27)
For if ye love (G25) them which love (G25) you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love (G25) those that love (G25) them. (Luke 6:32)
If agapao is a lower form of love then does Father only lower form of love Jesus?
Concerning terrorists, what reward do you have by loving them or others less? You can call them out and hate their ways like Stephen. Stephen was actually stoned to death by his own people and he forgave them. If only the pure in heart can see God (Mat 5:8) then maybe with God's spirit he was able to see the glory of God and Jesus at his right hand (Act 7:55)? There's probably a lot more to this love business, I would have to watch the video again honestly to see what Ray said but reading the verses above provides me with a bit more clarity.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: octoberose on April 15, 2020, 12:49:51 PM ---Gee, Dennis, I don't have to look any further for an enemy than my own family. I wasn't thinking terrorist.
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I was referring to "According to the Christ it seems to be rubbish because we are to love our enemies and not retaliate." by nshan.
Rocco:
Sorry about full quote, don't know how to pull out just one paragraph. Anyway just a feel good comment about the stoning of Stephen. I think it's awesome that he saw Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
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