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Obeying Civil Authorities
Rocco:
One other note. I'm only 90 miles away from San Francisco and they have announced that the 50th anniversary Gay Pride parade has been cancelled. That along with all the bars, strip clubs, casinos, stadiums, concert halls, theaters, libraries with the "Drag Queen Story Time" have been shut down.
Not to sound blasphemous, but I can imagine The Lord singing the chorus from that Toby Kieth song
" How do you Like me Now" !!
However I won't forget this
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
“I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.
greenef:
Thanks everyone for your response to my question. This will be very helpful.
Have a great day all!
Frank
Porter:
Found this from Ray to add to the discussion.
https://bible-truths.com/lake15-C.html
Satan did not gain and acquire all the kingdoms of this world as personal possessions against the purpose and intention of God his very Creator! What greater power and authority could there possibly be than to be the possessor of "ALL the kingdom of the world," and to be the very "god OF THIS WORLD?" Is all this power and might just "allowed" by God or rather is it not purposefully ORDAINED of God?
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power BUT OF GOD: THE POWERS THAT BE ARE ORDAINED OF GOD"
(Rom. 13:1).
There is an important distinction to be made between [1] the "god of this world"-Satan/ kosmokrator- world ruler-who is Satan (II Cor. 4:4/Eph. 6:12), and [2] the civil "powers" and "rulers" which are called "magistrates" in the Greek, who make laws that govern and suppress some of the evil in the world. Both the "world ruler/god of this world" AND the "powers and magistrates" are "ordained [Gk: 'appointed'] " OF God, but one we are to "be subject to" but the other we are to "resist."
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers ['governing authorities'] ..." (Rom. 13:1)
BUT:
" Resist the Devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7).
This is a most important point, and our own Lord has given us the perfect example of how we are to "resist the Devil," but, "be subject unto the higher powers:"
"Then said Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan [Jesus 'resisted' the Devil] : for it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve. Then the devil LEAVES HIM..." (Matt. 4:10-11).
Though Jesus resisted the Devil, He was then "subject to the higher powers" for the rest of His ministry:
"And they that had laid hold on Jesus led Him away to Caiaphas the high priest..." (Matt. 26:57).
"Then said Pilate unto Him, speak you not unto me? Know you not that I have power to crucify you, and have power to release you? Jesus answered, You could have no power at all against me except it was given you from above; therefore he that delivered Me unto you has the greater power" (John 19:10-11).
But above all:
"We ought to obey GOD rather than MEN."
greenef:
Thanks Porter, this is very helpful!
Frank
loveroftruth:
WOW!!! What a blessing all of you who have posted in this thread have been to me today! :)… This is my first thread on BT, since I just returned, having been away for 5 long years, but THANK YOU for your input here, as the info in this thread has been answers to my prayers and food for my soul. I can't afford to ever leave this forum ever again! ::) Ugh! I have missed you all so much!
Greenef: Great Question/thread!
Porter, well said!
This is a most important point, and our own Lord has given us the perfect example of how we are to "resist the Devil," but, "be subject unto the higher powers:"
Rocco, I LOVE IT:
"Not to sound blasphemous, but I can imagine The Lord singing the chorus from that Toby Kieth song
" How do you Like me Now" !!" (You mad me laugh out loud and you brought a tear to my eyes, thanks, I needed that humor!) ;D ;D
Lareli: Great Point...Perhaps Ask for wisdom and discernment? -\ )
Dave in Tenn: Excellent discernment! thank you!
Nshan: Thank you for the quick reference, muchly appreciated, as it saves me time. :D
Dennis: Thank you for taking the time to send the video; spot on!
Octoberose: I feel you sister! I do believe that these ARE the beginning of sorrows that we are currently living in... :(
IndianaBob: Amen brother! Now that is so true, but very heavy!! (we might be sheep led to the slaughter; only true believers will recognize the end time events...
My/Susan's/Loveroftruths input:
(just like the opinion of Rocco...) We are to obey God rather than man, and the worst case scenario is that can happen is that HE might ask us to be lambs led to the slaughter, and we must be ready and willing... Hopefully though, it won't come to that. We are HIS vessel for HIS will to be worked through, and we must humbly accept whatever does come our way.
As a Gulf War veteran, I did what I had taken an oath to do, which was to go to war if it came down to that ... but I did not want to do that, as it conflicted in my "love everyone" beliefs; however, I went as a combat nurse, where I was able to heal rather than take lives.... I would not have had the chance and been able to be a vessel for God to work through me in order to study the Word with some of my fellow soldiers and they came to HIM in repentance and obedience, had I not gone there... (so, good can come out of being obedient when we don't want to be in uncomfortable situations ... but, good things do not always come about either...) :-\
blessings,
Susan
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