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Will we know the hour?
AwesomeSavior:
Thayer's Greek Lexicon translates that word "place" in Matthew 24:15 as "temple".
Could there be a 3rd temple to be built in Jerusalem to fulfill these verses in the natural realm?
Satan loves to be worshipped, as he tempted Jesus with it.
Satan does enter people, as he entered Judas to betray Jesus.
Satan would love to be worshipped by all humanity. Could this happen by entering another man, like he did with Judas?
Is it God's will for this to happen literally?
Porter:
--- Quote from: ZekeSr on July 31, 2021, 09:23:05 AM ---
Before I write any more, I’m wondering about the deliberately ambiguous meaning of the “the abomination of desolation.” I really believe that this is the key. And I do not believe that anyone has ever cracked (or revealed) the true meaning.
Mat 24:15 Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one who reads, let him understand)
I have many more thoughts, but I’m going to cut it right here, as things can get too complicated.
Mike
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I thought Ray was quite clear on the meaning of "the abomination of desolation" from the paper I quoted. Here is the second witness to the passage you quoted.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
The abomination is that which "opposes and exalts himself above God, or that is worshiped; so that he as a god sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is a god." Once this abomination is "perceived" by you or "revealed" to you and in you, it becomes "desolate" or destroyed by Christ. This is the "hour", but you won't know it was the hour till you look back from this fall from grace and self worship and repent of it.
If this discussion is about the interpretation of literal prophecies, then forgive me if you knew these spiritual things already. It's just as ambiguous to me as it is to you if that is the case.
Dennis Vogel:
Please watch this two minute video. I'm curious if anyone thinks it has anything to do with this discussion? https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0
Musterseed:
From the LOf 15
The man of sin is a beast who thinks he is a God,
I will show that free Will is indeed an idol of the heart which needs to be repented of.
And of all mans sacred cows, free Will is the most sacred of all. It is undoubtably the most difficult doctrine
in mans walk with God to acknowledge and give up.
And though neither science nor Holy Scripture know anything of a power called free will,
most will continue to defend it even in the light of a mountain of scriptural truth that contradicts
it at every turn.
To even question the existence of such a universally accepted sacred cow that has been lauded
by theologians and philosophers since Eden is to open oneself to criticism of being either a moron
Or a heretic. It is rather this theory of free will itself that is moronic and heretical.
Yeah, it is rather idiotic and evil.
God Himself calls the notion of independent free choice , evil..
There is a plethora of simple to understand teachings in the scriptures that utterly contradicts
the fantasy of mans free will.
Come on Ray, tell us.Who is the beast?
THE BEAST IS YOU
1Corth.3:19,,,, for the wisdom ( the wisdom mind you , not the foolishness ) is foolishness
GK, stupidity) with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness.
Foreknowledge contradicts free Will.
The example of the disciples forsaking Jesus is so important to this study that we are going to stay with it a little longer.
We are all prodigal sons.
Love in Christ
What then is it to be carnal or carnally minded. It’s not good ,I can tell you that. It’s a monster.
ITS A BEAST.
all caps Rays.
I have wondered just how evil this beast is. Well, the audios Repentance and Guilty of All
will tell you just what we are O MAN
Except for by the grace of God go I.
All glory to God.
ZekeSr:
While I personally believe that almost everything in the Scriptures is layered with dual meanings, I respectfully contend that, in the “main” context of Mat 24, Jesus is not referring to the “abomination of desolation” on an individual spiritual level. This was an inquiry of end time prophesy from the disciples.
The question to him was direct:
Mat 24:3 “…….and, what is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? “
And Daniel’s question was in the same vein:
Modern King James:
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And He said, Go, Daniel! For the words are closed up and sealed until the end-time.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the desolating abomination set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days shall occur.
Here’s an interesting interpretation of Dan 12:11 & Mat 24:15 from the Basic Bible in English (BBE). Different from all the others that I have seen. Is it accurate? I’m not sure, but it is interesting in its interpretation concerning the abomination of desolation when referenced by Jesus:
Dan 12:11 And from the time when the regular burned offering is taken away, and an unclean thing causing fear is put up, there will be a thousand, two hundred and ninety days.
Mat 24:15 When, then, you see in the holy place the unclean thing which makes destruction, of which word was given by Daniel the prophet let this be clear to the reader,
I’m taking everything into consideration that is being presented, including the two-minute video. And I still think we are all missing something in Mat 24 (myself included… especially myself). Not only that, will we ever truly know the exact day and hour? Apparently we can come close, but we will never truly know until that hour occurs:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father.
Mat 24:42 Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
Mike
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