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Salvation, A process? Your thoughts?
Lightseeker:
I've always supported the idea of 'salvation is progressive'. It progresses from spirit to soul to body. Your spirit is saved when you get 'Justified' 'born again' or 'regenerated'. You then 'work out the salvation' of your soul (mind will emotions) in the process of sanctification or by renewing the carnal mind to the mind of Christ. At the judgment seat of Christ where ALL will be judged for their works, we who were 'called' in this age will receive saved or glorified bodies (no longer capable of death).
Spirit= Justification (regeneration or rebirth) By faith IN Jesus
Soul= Sanctification (renewal of mind) By the faith OF Jesus
Body= Glorification (Conversion of walk) By obedience TO Jesus
I am saved in my spirit, I am being saved in my soul, and I will receive a saved body whose glory will be determined by how much salvation took place in my soul thereby accomplishing righteous works and not works of unrighteousness or self righteousness.
I know this doesn't work for those who only believe we are only a spirit, body which then = a soul.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: chuckusa on August 25, 2006, 04:33:00 AM ---Alex,
Isn't it amazing when the love of God, makes this "process" real in our lives, when we see it and experience it...instead of just talking about it?
When the words come alive and work within us, love takes on a whole new meaning.
It's a great subject to contemplate, this thread. Thanks Alex.
Chuck
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It truly is chuck, and i can attest that for the first timein my life i have felt the fire from the refiner, and it is powerfull and destructive on the carnal beast within me, however tough it is, i rejoice because i knwo the beast is slowly being done away with. Praise God! It hurts but its all for the better.
Thank you for participating chuck!
God bless,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: buddyjc on August 25, 2006, 02:15:02 PM ---It definitely is a process, and this process goes on till the day we die. I was just thinking about this again this morning.
Phi 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Suffering for the sake of Christ is a part of sanctification, and sanctification is the process of making us look like Christ.
2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Just believing in Christ will not save you. We must suffer for the sake of Christ, and even though this does not make us 'happy' it brings a joy and peace that passes even our own understanding. Many of you know what my family and I have been going through lately. I know that all things are of God, and even Anna having diabetes is a part of this. This has added a lot more heartache in my life, but I know that I am in the hands of the Father, and there is no other place I would rather be. Happiness centers around our circumstances or 'happenings' in our life. If things are going well, we are happy, but 'joy' is something totally different. You can have joy even when you suffer. I count it all joy to suffer for the sake of Jesus Christ. I also believe that suffering drives us to our knees before God. It teaches us to completely rely on Him.
Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Phi 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Phi 3:11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
Act 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
Brian
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Hey Brian, i'm sorry to hear whats happening to your family brother, but if it brings any comfort i too just went through osme very tough and trying times in my life, and felt the refiners fire.
I will agree that happyness, and JOY are two different things. I know i wasn't happy when teh beast in me was being purged and still has to be purged for the rest of my life, but i know i was over joyed that the Lord was treating me as a Son and not a *******, and that He was working in me. Its a long process that takes all our lives, but we can definatly be overjoyed that He deals with us as sons and not ********! Praise God!
Brian we are all your family here and care very much about you, you are not alone brother!
With much love,
Alex
Karen:
I agree that Salvation is a process.A life time process. And I believe that its for all mankind. But in stages.~Karen~
orion77:
Alex, great thread and input. I agree it is a process, if it wasn't I messed up again, ;D. To endure, and overcome has no place in a 10 second prayer. Takes time, a lifetime, through trials, tribulations, persecutions.
Through a prayer many years ago, being a young man, God came into this life. A vow was made and He has always kept His part, but it took over 20 years to keep my part. His patience amazes me to no end. Through the many, many mistakes made on my part, He has always been there, like a patient Father, waiting for me to come around. There are no words that can thank Him enough, just in the same way the joy, that was given by Him, it's beyond explaining.
To put on the mind of Christ, being crucified with Him, takes time like a refiners fire, to be purified unto righteousness, and after all this time and experience, we can not boast as if we did it ourselves, it is all of Him.
Salvation is in knowing through suffering, that God, our Maker, really, really loves us, and not just in mere words, but through Life, and that Life, is the Light of mankind. Yet, as the scripture says, many prefer the darkness.
My prayer is that all here, will not be ashamed when the Day comes.
God bless,
Gary
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