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Craig:
Brandon,
Here are the forum rules.
This forum is primarily a place for people of a like mind to fellowship and discuss what they learn on bible-truths.com. Others are welcome as long as questions are respectful and carry no agenda. If you seriously disagree with Ray or Mike, please email them directly.
Please do not make sport of persons who email Ray. Leave any criticism of the individual to Ray. But feel free to express your scholarly views about the email, or any subject.
No preaching. No name-calling.
Thank you for your cooperation.
By some of your writings it appeared you where not of like mind. And the forum will not be a place of division.
An example would be (and I'm not saying this is you) Let say you believe man has his own free will, if you know anything about this group then you know we do not believe this. So keep that opinion to yourself, unless you honestly want to question to try and understand our beliefs. This forum is not to debate!
If I see any of the previous lines of posts happening again I will also ban your IP address.
I hope you can abide by these rules, because I really hate having to ban anyone.
Craig
Falconn003:
--- Quote ---brokenagain
Rodger, I don't know exactly what you mean by "church rhetoric." It seems to me, though, that we need to begin with a premise.
I will begin by stating my premise, based on my personal study of the Scripture and the context in which it was written. That premise is that hell certainly exists and that it does not detract from the glory or mercy of God. In fact, it further glorifies God.
I'm assuming that the premise of those generally in this forum is that hell is an evil doctrine that directly contradicts the gospel and more importantly, the glory and character of God.
Am I correct in that assumption?
Brandon
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My premise is, based on my guidance by the Holy Spirit and the life within the Word, inspires the Love , the Mercy, the Forgiveness , the salvation that God gives to us all so freely and unconditionaly.
Leaves me with the premise that hell is in and of itself nonessential as defined by the secular church.
A possible good research by your self brandon on the origin of the word "hell" may lead you unto a different conclusion. With out the influence and traditions of the secular church.
brandon stated :
--- Quote ---That premise is that hell certainly exists and that it does not detract from the glory or mercy of God. In fact, it further glorifies God.
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quid pro quo how is this so ??? And please do not post half the bible, 2 witnesses will do just fine i would hope so.
Rodger
eutychus:
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Thank you for your assesment. I think you might have a good starting point here. Let's ask those others involved so that we may all agree on the starting point of the conversation.
What does everyone else think...is this a good starting point for conversation?
Brandon[/quote]
brandon,
first have you read this?
and if not it would be a good place to start before we discuss any further.
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html
http://bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm
peace
eutychus
Nelson:
--- Quote from: brokenagain ---I know, I know, I'm not supposed to be here. I was banned.
But, I'm here in complete humility. There was a desire amongst some of those whose posts I read recently to have an open, honest, non-heated conversation, and that is what I hope we can do; that is, if you're still interested.
I'm sorry for not having replied to any of the previous posts below, and I'm truly sorry for my perceived arrogance - that was entirely unintentional.
However, should we enter into a conversation, I would ask that we all lay some ground-rules from the beginning.
Should no one wish to talk, I will happily leave this forum of my own will.
Brandon
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Hi Brandon,
I remember when you posted regularly a few months ago. You made a bit of a dramatic entrance and then got toasted over the 'it's that hell guy again' statement you made. But when you 'left' because the forum was getting a bit addictive and taking up a lot of your time, many of us wished you well and were sad that you would be absent. You had started to show respect for the beliefs of those who post regularly here and that respect was reciprocated. This allowed healthy discussion of scripture and proved more edifying for all of us, even though there were disagreements among us.
I know that you are fully aware of the beliefs of many who fellowship here and that those who come here to promote doctrines that are rejected here are not welcome to preach such things.
I do sincerely hope that you can bring the humility that you most certainly seem to have learned prior to your BT sabbatical into this forum as many of your posts most certainly were very edifying and informative.
I am surprised by your manner of recent posting after seeing in you previously a real humility through warm fellowship and a desire to see God receive the glory rather than a desire to 'prove' this or that is right or wrong.
There are a number of new members and some of the 'old' members no longer post here, or at least post less frequently. But the purpose of the forum is unchanged. For the record, I have only read a few items written by Mike and Ray and I post here with the purpose of edifying, learning and giving praise to our Father and His Son. I do not believe in a burning, fiery hell or eternal punishment. But I do not condemn those who do believe it, I just give my own reasons why I believe as I do and I'm happy to look at other views on such subjects. But let God be true though every man a liar, I am slow to accept any teaching that cannot be verified by two or three witnesses, and I believe that God gives those witnesses through the scriptures, creation and the spirit within, it's His work and word.
If you truly mean what you say regarding humility then I believe we will benefit greatly from your input, I hope that you are indeed sincere in your statement, wisdom is proved righteous by her children, welcome back.
Grace and peace to you
Nelson
love_magnified:
--- Quote ---I'm assuming that the premise of those generally in this forum is that hell is an evil doctrine that directly contradicts the gospel and more importantly, the glory and character of God.
Am I correct in that assumption?
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Absolutely. That is where I am coming from.
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