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Wrath vs. Judgement

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Porter:
Not gonna lie, but this topic is mostly above my understanding. Your thoughts on this subject are as good as any, I reckon. I wish I had an answer for you.

As for quoting a link, like I did with your comment, there should be an option called “insert quote” top right of the body of the quote. However, it may be different on an ipad, as I'm on a desktop pc. From there, simply delete whatever lines you don't need, while preserving the quote tags that you'll see at the beginning and ending of the quote.

Here's a link and a quote from an online manual for the Simple Machine Forums, which is what bible truths forum runs on.


https://wiki.simplemachines.org/smf/Posting


There are two ways of replying to a post by quoting it. The first option is to click on the Quote button on the top right-hand side of the relevant post. The second option is to select the Reply button which will take you to the Post reply screen. On this page you can quote a post from the Topic Summary located below the message editor. Simply click on Insert Quote next to the relevant post.
 
* Both of the above options add a link to the original post showing the name of the poster and the date and time of the post. This information is added by attributes in the opening quote tag (author=, link=topic=, date=). The plain Bulletin Board Code quote tag simply quotes the relevant post without any additional information.
* You can retain or add the 'author' attribute independently of the full quote function.

Dave in Tenn:
To add a small note.  Try not to keep the entire quote (especially if it's long) but just quote the section of the quoted post you want to comment on and delete the rest.  And be careful that you don't type within the quote tags.  Threads can get impossible to read with unnecessary quotes and quotes of other people's quotes.

ralph:
I am only saying the following to perhaps shed some light here. 

My life it seems has been one trial after another with short periods of tranquility here and there.

Some trials within the last 20 years for example, were so severe, that if they were to happen again at my ripe old age of 50, I might very well end up in the hospital or worse.  There were times when it sure felt like I was on the receiving end of God’s anger and indignation to the point where I begged God to take me in my sleep. I did not want to live any longer and I can honestly relate to this:

Revelation 9:5-6
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them

I deserved it. I was a bad boy and it took severe trials to dethrone that beast, but if what I experienced was God’s loving discipline/ judgement, I tremble to think what his wrath would be like. 

Through all of that tribulation, I am thankful because those trials caused me to repent. They changed my heart. I am not the same man that I was just 20 years ago. I came to a point where I knew it was God causing the tribulation and during that tribulation there were blessings of understanding and growth. Before that, they were just horrible experiences with no growth or revelation.

If God did not throw me a life preserver, I’d still be lost at sea.  I have a difficult time looking into the future at what might happen to the rest of humanity because I was one of them not so long ago. When I read the word of God, I always try and apply it to myself first. More often than not, I can relate to what I am reading as opposed to placing it on the rest of humanity during some future event.  Am I wrong? Am I being too hard on myself?  Well I suppose that’s the purpose of the body of Christ and this forum, to answer questions like these and I am grateful for all of you.

Dave in Tenn:
I think there is good reason why "we" are forbidden wrath, and why wrath is reserved to God    We don't know how to do it.  I don't even think we know what it is...only what it is like, at best.

As best as I've been able to suss it out, "wrath" is closer to jealousy and desire than to a burst of anger.  It's acting upon that jealousy or desire like toward a spouse or child.  That's more or less what it is like, and we should pay more attention to the adjectives and accompanying "actions and/or emotions" in the text as well as the more specific "subject" of the wrath over the severity.  It's far different to say I want you back than to say I want you dead.  Little Johnny getting lost in Walmart is not the same as little Johnny locking the doors and setting the store on fire.  "Wrath", as best as I can understand it encompasses both scenarios.  The Lake of Fire is for both the terrible and the timid.

The reason "we" escape the wrath to come is maybe because He has already dragged/compelled "us".  I still have scars from the dragging, and He's not even finished yet.  He scourges every son he receives.  Since He knows from the beginning who he receives and when, He's been preparing MY place since the beginning.  Even when things were apparently calm and pleasant, it was just part of the scourging, the Great Tribulation.  Not my will, but His be done.

Musterseed:
1 Thes. 5:9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation, through
Our Lord Jesus Christ,10,,, who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep
we might live with Him.

From Two Judgements by fire

When God purges the hearts and minds of the wicked with His all consuming Spiritual
Fire, they will be UTTERLY ASHAMED! ( caps Rays)

Notice what God says regarding anyone who is part of this one world religious system.

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication Rev.18:3
which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation.( wrath)

And he shall be tormented ( utterly ashamed, spiritual and mental torment with
fire and brimstone ( God’s Divine Spiritual Fire) in the presence of the holy angels
and the presence of the Lamb.( Rev.14:10)

Job 21:20,,, Let their own eyes see their destruction and let them drink of the wrath
of the Almighty.

Quote from Ray from audio , many called few chosen.

“God not only wants us to see the evil in the world, but also in our own hearts.”


They are going to have to face their sins and wickedness and hypocrisy.
Not in the presence of God but un the presence of the Lamb.
How embarrassing and shameful it will be for all those being purged in God’s
Spiritual Consuming Lake of Fire to see and acknowledge their whole life of sin
in the very PRESENCE of the Lamb of God who died for them. EVERY heart in the universe
will melt like snow in a furnace when they face the Lamb of God in JUDGEMENT.

THE LAKE OF DIVINE SPIRITUAL FIRE WILL BRING SALVATION TO ALL THE NATIONS.
the billions of people purged are saved in , yet so as by Gods spiritual consuming fire. ( 1Cor. 3:15)

Maybe you are being called to respond to God’s plea. “ Come out of her my people”

May we all here on BT pray for endurance and patience while we wait .
If you do not understand the difference between tribulation and affliction and wrath and indignation
Rays article Of Rapture explains it in detail.

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