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"Look,here is the Christ"
Porter:
--- Quote from: zvezda on April 21, 2023, 06:16:17 PM ---Of course it has not come, and never will. As Ray said: “Thank God that it is not possible.” Why would you expect something that's not possible to come?
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It only becomes not possible to deceive the Elect after Christ has “despatch with the spirit of His mouth and will discard by the advent of His presence” (2Th 2:8). I assure you, “the whole world" was deceived (Rev 12:9) including Ray, Ray even admitted it.
https://bible-truths.com/lake14.html
"THANK GOD, that I (L. Ray Smith) had fallen away, left my first love, looked back, forsook the Lord, and watched my house upon the sand come crashing down! Only then was I able to stand upon the sand of the sea, and see the beast within, the man of sin, the son of perdition, and Satan the devil who DECEIVED ME!"
How will we ever understand and believe Christs parables, if we first do not know who the parables are talking about?
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity [Greek: lawnesness].
The MANY that call Jesus Lord, and the MANY that call Jesus the Christ, are the same MANY that deceive us by their so called “wonderful and mighty works”.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
This isn't exactly rocket science, so you don't have to be too intelligent to understand it, but to be fair, it does take the Spirit to understand.
Christ in you is how "the beast within" is removed and revealed to you.
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Col 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
octoberose:
Ray is the only one I’ve read who interprets Revelation and the beast in this way. I just don’t know. Not sure what the need of a vision is if the beast is just every man. 6 is the number of man- it always has been. 666? Well, seems to be more than just a simple man.
Porter:
The whole point of visions, signs, miracles, prophecies, and parables, is so many called wouldn't understand. But to those who are being saved, it is the power of “Christ in you”. Christs life and even His crucifixion is a parable to them.
1Co 1:18 For to those who are perishing the message of the cross is foolishness, but to us who are being saved it is God's power.
1Co 1:19 For it is written: I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will set aside the understanding of the experts.
1Co 1:20 Where is the philosopher? Where is the scholar? Where is the debater of this age? Hasn't God made the world's wisdom foolish?
1Co 1:21 For since, in God's wisdom, the world did not know God through wisdom, God was pleased to save those who believe through the foolishness of the message preached.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews ask for signs and the Greeks seek wisdom,
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles.
1Co 1:24 Yet to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is God's power and God's wisdom,
It's all one.
1Pe 2:6 For it stands in Scripture: Look! I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and valuable cornerstone, and the one who believes in Him will never be put to shame!
1Pe 2:7 So the honor is for you who believe; but for the unbelieving, The stone that the builders rejected--this One has become the cornerstone, and
1Pe 2:8 A stone that causes men to stumble, and a rock that trips them up. They stumble by disobeying the message; they were destined for this.
It really isn't that complicated. The number of the beast is 666, it is the number of humanity. Humanity has all the hall-MARKS of a wild, untamed godless beast.
octoberose:
Well , could you try and explain Revelations 13 to me ? Every now and then God opens a door for me and I can see something in the text that is not obvious . But Revelations ? I only have questions . Yes I’ve read Rays work but unlike most of what he teaches this doesn’t sit with me .I’m not arguing at all - I simply don’t see it .
Porter:
I know you're not arguing octoberose because if I thought you were, I would have never replied. I'm simply too weak to get into arguments, as it is one of my character flaws.
We all have different gifts, even those who do not fully understand can enter into the Kingdom of God.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all do miracles?
1Co 12:30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in languages? Do all interpret?
1Co 12:31 But desire the greater gifts. And I will show you an even better way.
I know exactly what the entire body of Christ is experiencing because the God of one of us is the same God of all of us.
Ray has written in great length concerning whom the beast of Revelation is and Revelation in general. Everything written in Revelation can be found in the Old Testament. However, I did find this wonderful summary that has helped me understand the plan of God and a bit better about prophecy in Revelation.
https://bible-truths.com/lake9.html
Let me give you the history of the world including all future prophecies, in one sentence:
God perfectly planned and recorded His creation of the heavens, angels, the earth, and carnal humanity, who sinned wickedly and were all drowned (save a few); who then reached for their own heaven at the tower of Babel in rebellion to the God Who then scattered them (save a few); who later built Babylon into a great pagan empire which God destroyed (save a few); who have since built many wicked and fornicating Babylons collectively called, Mystery Babylon The Great, whom God warns before utterly destroying again (save a few); and of "the Few' God is creating a New Spiritual Humanity of Son-and-Daughter Saviours like unto Jesus, in New Jerusalem on spiritual Mt. Zion, were ALL will be redeemed (NOT just a few); that God may be "ALL in All"!
Maybe I could shorten it down a smidgen, but there it is. The reality of most of the symbolism of Revelation is contained in that one sentence. “But Mr. Smith, I don't see “666' anywhere in your sentence.” You don't? I do. I see 666 followed by 777 in nearly every phrase of that sentence. “He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the Churches!”
This tells me that the number 666 in and of itself isn't terribly important, as long as I get the big picture. The big picture along with the truth that “all is of God”, Jesus only taught in parables, the bible is one giant parable and there is no free will, has taught me a lot. These truths make many of the smaller details that I come across make more sense. These truths are an excellent foundation to begin learning about Jesus.
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