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zvezda:

--- Quote from: Porter on April 21, 2023, 10:53:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: zvezda on April 21, 2023, 06:16:17 PM ---Of course it has not come, and never will. As Ray said: “Thank God that it is not possible.” Why would you expect something that's not possible to come?

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It only becomes not possible to deceive the Elect after Christ has “despatch with the spirit of His mouth and will discard by the advent of His presence” (2Th 2:8). I assure you, “the whole world" was deceived (Rev 12:9) including Ray, Ray even admitted it.


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just wanted to clarify -
I don't deny that the world was deceived.
I was just talking about Matt 24:24 - the signs and wonders performed by false prophets (that's what the OP asks)
The false prophets don't have the ability to do it (as Ray said it's not possible), that's why they can't deceive the elect by performing signs and wonders, that's also why I asked the question "why expect something (signs and wonders performed by false prophets) that's not possible to come".
I didn't say the world can't be deceived by any means.

Porter:
All good zvezda. Sorry, if I seemed a little gung ho about it.

Dave in Tenn:
Paul mentions "false wonders".  2Th 2:9  whose (that Wicked) coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders...
Anybody who's seen a day's worth of TBN has seen this.     

"Signs and wonders" are not the operative words in this passage.  POWER is.  If "wonders" can be false/lying then they derive from false/lying power.  "Free will" is a false power. 

δύναμις
dunamis
Thayer Definition:
1) strength power, ability
1a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth
1b) power for performing miracles
1c) moral power and excellence of soul
1d) the power and influence which belong to riches and wealth
1e) power and resources arising from numbers
1f) power consisting in or resting upon armies, forces, hosts

 

Porter:
I think you are making an important distinction, Dave. I get the part about “free will” being a false power, but is there another way to explain the distinction between “signs and lying wonders” and the false power of “free will”? Is it safe to say that the part about signs and wonders takes too much precedence, while the false power isn't given enough or even any consideration at all?

I guess my real question is, how do the lying wonders and signs relate to watching a day's worth of TBN? I know TBN is full of “false prophets” who make deceitful prophecies. It sounds simple, but the point escapes me, and I'm trying to tie it all together in my mind.

Musterseed:
I can’t sleep 😩

This power is after the working of Satan is what the scripture says.

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