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angie:
Hiya folks,
I had written some notes a while back, on reading Genesis. I realised [almost a year on] that I never really got to the bottom of it by way of a satisfactory answer, and if anything, I've learned that additional words dropped into somewhere are there for a reason so thought I'd post it and see what others thought.
Using KJV
So, God creates Adam, puts him in the garden, tells him [Gen 2:16]
"...but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, though shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
THEN God had him name all the animals and birds
THEN created eve from Adam.
Eve doesn't say anything until she meets the serpent in the garden. He only asks her a question
[Gen 3.1] '...Yea. hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? What surprised me was Eve's answer
3.2 '...we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT.
GOD NEVER SAID THAT. Adam was cleaved to Eve, she was made to be his helpmate. Do you think God would have told Adam all this, then tell Eve the same all over again, but add a bit on Himself, or would adam be responsible for telling Eve the rules. Likely, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY. do you think this is the first time a human [either Adam OR Eve] has ADDED TO GOD'S WORD if this is the case? (so the second half of the statement is a lie)
If so, does it confirm sin was already in the Garden even before desiring the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil?
I also noticed:
Satan said '...Ye shall not surely die [an out and out lie]
Satan THEN went on to say [V.5] ' For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof. then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil' This part was NOT a lie, it was TRUE because later in V.22;
'And the Lord God said behold, The man is become one of us, to know good and evil:...' [and God doesn't lie]
I've always held the belief that the most dangerous lies were ones that contained an element of truth, But I was really perplexed because Jesus said of Satan that; ' ... there was no truth in him, he was a liar... [not a quote- but you will know the scripture that does quote this meaning]
I puzzled over it for ages then when I was out walking the dog, I realized Satan didn't use his OWN words to validate the lie he told, he used God's word to VALIDATE/AUTHENTICATE the LIE that was his, even though it seems that Adam [man] had added to his word in the first place. This is what preachers of false doctrine do, they ADD to the word of God and VALIDATE it using some truth of Gods word. A LIE with some TRUTH in it, plausible and VERY dangerous for newbie's in Christ who will perpetuate the doctrine. Am I way out on this do you think? :-\
Angie
RobRoyal:
I think your right on. That's how I always understood Jesus' comment about the "yeast of the Pharisee's". A little bit of a twist at the end so that the truth is turned 180 degrees around. It never ceases to amaze me how often in the gospels Jesus warns us to beware lest we be decieved. aand Paul does the same through his writings: "guard the truth" etc. There must be great deception in this world regarding the things of scripture or why so many stern warnings?
God bless'
Rob
snorky:
Good work, Angie! I've studied Genesis many times (since my husband and I are always discussing the origina and nature of man as well as how man populated the earth), and never noticed that! Thank you!
As to Satan, and preachers, lying by using God's Word to validate, I have, over the last several months, started to question every word that comes out of a preacher's mouth (as God has me spiritually discerning...and, heck, He's just gotten started with me!). Anyway, one day when we had a visiting preacher, one who really has a lot of discernment, he gave the message on John 17, when Christ is praying to His Father in the garden of Gesthemane before Judas and the soldiers came. Verse 15 says Christ prayed that: "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one." and verse 20 says, "Neither pray I for these (the apostles) alone, but for them also which sahll believe on me through their word."
Well, when he pointed that out, it was a bolt out of the blue! You know how the Pharisees of today use 1 Corinthians and 1 and 2 Thessalonians to "prove" the pre-trib rapture? Well, here is Christ Himself saying there WILL BE NO "RAPTURE" but that we will be protected until He returns! I thank God for this discernment! And I thank God for this forum, which is the ONLY forum I have found on the entire billions of web sites where Biblical sanity reigns!--snorky
angie:
Hi snorky
Cheers, must look at John 17 :) I like this forum too, It helps me see scripture in the way it is meant. They are just vast though and I wonder sometimes if I'll ever get through them all, far less remember them and where they are located! :( [need to drink more water ;D]
Your mention of the 'rapture' reminds me... I did try to go to several churches on several occasions when I first was drawn to God. You'd never believe the stuff that got in the way of it. I did manage to get to one session of those Alpha courses for newbies. Unfortunately [for the church] I'd read only one paper from bible truths.The man taking the class was very nice [as was everyone there] but he started on about the rapture [complete with diagrams] Yep, that subject was the very paper I'd read on bible-truths, and suffice to say, it was the last session I went to. I haven't looked back. ;D
Angie
Lightseeker:
Angie,
Just a short comment before going to the jail.
--- Quote ---3.2 '...we may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. But the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, ye shall not eat of it, NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT.
--- End quote ---
I once went to a retreat where the speaker used this very verse to declare: "Never depend on a 'secondary word' which hasn't been revealed to you!" His opinion was that Adam had told her what she hadn't heard herself. That advice is good anywhere you hear teaching I think. We all "KNOW IN PART"
1CO 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1CO 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
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