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The Once Saved Always Saved Teaching Misleading?

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seminole:
I heard this too at one time in my life. A friend of mine said she could do anything she wanted because "once saved always saved" . My problem with that is it doesn't give you free rein to go out and do un-godly things although she took it that way. Matter of fact if you have Jesus in your heart and life, you don't wish to do those same things anymore. If what you got is real it makes a difference.
Nole

Deborah-Leigh:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3849.0.html

Here is an excerpt from the above link.

Jesus Christ never converted a person in His whole ministry. It’s just amazing. If you said that in a church they’d be throwing rotten tomatoes at you. In His whole ministry Jesus Christ never converted one person! Not one!
…11 second sinner’s prayer….they have not a clue what they are talking about!!

When came around Pentecost time though, a whole bunch of them were converted. About 120 of them. But Christ was leading them up to that.  And He’s probably leading some of us up to that…

All these things take a lifetime. We’re going to live “the seals”. A third part of the men died: that’s a third part of the man in us that is going to die. A third part of the carnality. God works in increments, you see. He wipes out some of the trees, and then He burns the grass…what is the trees and the grass? These are all things in us. We have islands, and mountains, and trees, and grass. All of these are belief systems and ideas and doctrines and philosophies of life and all these things. And they are all going to be burned out and broken down and destroyed. All of those seven seals, seven trumpets, seven plagues: they are all things that must happen in our lives.

I think this shows the correct perspective. This perspective to me is soundly based on the word of God and is the honest truth that is so distorted by Church Doctrine's beliefs that are tailor made to fit the comfort mentalities of carnal thinking.

Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

YellowStone:
This has been a great discussion :)

After further study of both the Scriptures and of Rays work, I can clearly see that their is a conflict between what I "see" as being saved from and that of Ray. :)

I will write this in the "first - person" so that I will not be seen as teaching. :)

Please know that I AM NOT suggesting that Ray is wrong :)   But please let me share where I WAS coming from.

I have always believed that Christ died for the yet ungodly, paying the ransom of death, so that "death" has no claim on me. Christ, saved me from Death; death being the endstate; total absence from Christ. NOTHING!  :(

Rom 5:6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.  

Sure, my body may die, but this is irrelevant. :)

Rom 14:8 If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

Christ paid my ransom and through his death, death has no hold on me, for I belong to Christ.

1Ti 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men-the testimony given in its proper time.  

Oh, I surely will be judged harshly and I am sure I will be cleansed as a result. Never did I ever believe that I was SAVED from that! :o

Well that's how I have always seen it.

Love in Christ to All,
Darren

Deborah-Leigh:
I am quoting excerpts from Ray's teaching Transcript about Repentance.

"..we repent in increments....

Forgiveness comes first. Jesus Christ was slain from the foundation of the world...for our sins.

BEFORE the cross...were the Apostles converted yet? No, they weren't.

AT the Cross...Did they repent? No. Were they cleansed of their sins? No.

AFTER the cross...the Apostles and disciples really repented.

God PURIFIED their hearts. That's conversion! That's being born-again, begotten anew, regenerated, whatever word you want to use, that's what THAT is.

...there are four things that happen with sin:

1. Committed
2. Remitted
3. Repented
4. Removed

...there comes a time when you have to just stop doing good things and repent of who and what you are. And then you will start to make real progress.

All have sinned.
God has forgiven all.
All will repent.
And all sin will be removed."

The grand finale - when all sin is removed, for me as I understand this, will only happen after God is all in all as is foretold He will be in the Scriptures. So for now, those who are being judged now,are in the process of purification.

Luke 21 : 36 Watch therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and TO STAND before the Son of Man.

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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