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Deborah-Leigh:
I have been pondering this issue about forgiveness......We are cautioned....."Forgive us our trespasses as WE forgive...."
But.. :-[
To have a quick responce time to forgive is good but it is the pain that doesn't go away and that is the sore part that puts pressure against...TRUSTING that God can take care of me and that I do not have to retaliate or take things into my own hands..., and this is the temptation.... leaving God to be God is .not possible without Gods help!...and when Gods help doesn't arrive when we need it most, (like when we are being raped) then the pressure is really on to do something about it!....Get angry, kill the assailant...take the law into your own hands and this is not Christs way.....God help ....and have mercy!....Jesus did nothing against those who killed Him. He prayed for them!
.... It has been revealed to me that if I or anyone else is acting in the way of Christ, it is because of God alone... .......I really do need HIM.....I can do nothing right at all without Him...and if I am getting anything right at all it is because of Him...!
It has been shown to me that if God lifts His hand off me, I will and can turn into a beast in a heart beat!.....That is what I have found out.......I know I am capable of all evil at all times in any moment if God doesn't prevent me......Pretty bad hey?...Do any of you feel the same way..? Have any of you seen this road before?....in the scriptures somewhere perhaps? Please let me know...
Arcturus
mongoose:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on October 04, 2006, 10:32:34 AM ---It has been shown to me that if God lifts His hand off me, I will and can turn into a beast in a heart beat!.....That is what I have found out.......I know I am capable of all evil at all times in any moment if God doesn't prevent me......Pretty bad hey?...Do any of you feel the same way..? Have any of you seen this road before?
--- End quote ---
I know that I am totally capable in my carnal self of killing someone without remorse and actually enjoying it. No, I have never done that....but only because God prevented it. :-[ I know that I am nothing good without Him. I am more than just capable of evil....I would enjoy it. Actually, I did used to enjoy it. Was in a gazillion fights (several a day) and I loved hurting the people I was fighting with. I did a lot of bad things and hurt people on purpose. :-[ After I stopped fighting but before God started really changing me, I used to wonder a lot what was wrong with me. I felt like a freak, somehow deranged or something that I could be so violent and like it so much...but I think a lot of people must be this way if they will take a close look at themselves and admit it.
Since He started working on me, I can't believe how different I am. I didn't deliberately do anything and didn't want it. I resisted, planted my feet, shook my fist at Him and said no. That didn't have any effect. It seems that when He wants to change someone, there is nothing to be done to stop it. And I'm glad for that. Thank God that He is in control. I still know that inside the old me who loves to hurt and fight is there. But there is this restraint....and every time I start to think that way He breaks my heart again. I find myself loving people and wanting to take care of them or just smile and be kind to them. Me? I can't believe how different I am from what I was before. It boggles my mind how far He has brought me. And it comforts me. He has given me a lot of peace and joy. It seems like every year I am a bit happier regardless of my external circumstances, a bit more settled and confident in Him. I pray that it will continue. That's the one thing that scares me the most...I don't want Him to let me go back to the way I was.
mongoose
MG:
Sometimes I'm afraid I'll go back and then I think of the Red Sea closing behind them and they couldn't go back even when they wanted to. I think God closes the way behind us.
chuckusa:
Hi,
Yes, that is a great post Mongoose. I understand what you are saying. We ALL do this, but some to a greater or lesser degree.
It all comes down to awareness of sin. When God makes us truly aware of sin, we change, and we don't go back. When you see someone wavering back and forth, that comes from their own efforts to resist and that never works for long. With this awareness, comes pain and suffering, we do have to "pay" for our progression.
As far as ever going back, I think Bobby is right, if you ever found yourself back in those old situations it wouldn't be pleasant. In fact that is how I often guage where I am, by how it feels to even contemplate going back to my old ways. The more offensive I find those old sins, the better I feel as I want to distance myself from that, and anyone who still does those things. I lost a lot of friends implementing that standard.
It's true MG, I thank God that he does close those old paths behind us. I've even tried to go back a few times, for some dumb reason... and the answer was always NO.
Just some thoughts.
Love, Chuck
gmik:
Hi. Very good posts.
It has been shown to me that if God lifts His hand off me, I will and can turn into a beast in a heart beat.--Arcturus
(Boy is that true!)
Also, as Viktoriya mentioned, we may not FEEL like we have forgiven but why not take it by faith. " I believe the bible, it says i must forgive, so I forgive according to the word not by the way I feel!!"
I have also done the "want to want to" In other words, my flesh says "I dont wanna forgive them", but my heart says "but I want to want to forgivethem".
When my sister in law was going thru her divorce, she simply couldnot forgive the ex (at least that was her feelings). So she started to pray for him as her enemy-eventually when she remarried, she "felt" like she had forgiven him. I believe now she had really already forgiven him.
When we pray Gods Will over someones life and pray for good things to happen in their lives, that changes our attitudes. I don't think you can pray honestly for someone very long before you really want and believe what you are saying.
Blessings,
gena
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