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Craig:
Ray; this was extracted from your website:
The doctrine of the trinity is so absolutely fundamental to the followers of Christendom that it is just taken for granted. They do not even deem it necessary to explain it, prove it, or in any way substantiate whether or not such a thing actually exists or is even so much as mentioned in the entirety of the Holy Scriptures! Although lacking any Scriptural proof to validate such a theory, denying the trinity is nonetheless considered heresy of the highest magnitude.
The popular hymn goes:
"Holy Holy Holy, Lord God Al-mighty, God in three per-sons, Bless-ed trin-i-ty"
"God is a TRINITY" we have been told by the world’s leading theologians. That is, "God" is composed of THREE PERSONS. They are:
God the Father
The Holy Ghost [Spirit]
Christ Jesus the Son of God.
With just the above statement, which is accurate according to Christian teaching, we already have several unscriptural problems!
Learn something important and profound: Whenever someone tries to teach you a doctrine that is UNscriptural, he will always be forced to use words that are unscriptural.
First of all, nowhere in the Scriptures is God referred to or called a "trinity."
Second, the word "three" is never used in reference to Who or What God is.
Third, God is never called or referred to as "a person."
Four, the holy spirit is never called "God."
Five, since Christ is the Son, He cannot also be the Father or be coequal with His Father. Christ plainly said:
"My Father is GREATER than I" (John 14:28).
The holy spirit is never called God, and God is never referred to as a trinity or a person or consisting of three, and Christ is the Son of the Father, YET this mysterious doctrine is believed by millions. Why?

GUESS WHAT RAY: The bible says different:
1Jo 5:6  This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jo 5:8  And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
What about this?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Who are you trying to decieve Ray. You mentioned to me about me not knowing the Bible. Evidently; you don't know Gods word. It is straight forward guy. You will face the judgement as you keep telling me.

Ron


Dear Ron:
You did not even read my paper on the trinity. I showed in that paper that I John 5:7 IS NOT SCRIPTURE. This verse first found itself in a Greek Manuscript after Columbus discovered America.
And John 1:1 has absolutely not to do with a "trinity."  Plus I stated 4 times on one page that "JESUS IS GOD."  You are arguing with yourself, Ron.
Ray

nightmare sasuke:
I feel sorry for KJV readers. They try their best to study, but what they're studying with is not even close to perfect.

jennie:
Sorry gang, I'm slow-witted I guess. I didn't understand what the post was really saying( from the first one).

zander:
basically jennie, Ron is trying to prove that there IS such a thing as a "trinity" with the KJV bible.  Now we know that from study, that KJV is fallible and has fallible translations in it with certain words and even certain doctrines have been inserted into this bible, that are not God's word.

The original scriptures dont know of any verses that say "and there are 3 that bear witness".  This was inserted.  Also, John 1:1 has nothing to do with a trinity.  JEsus is God.  But God is NOT a name, its a title.

Hope that makes it a bit easier to understand.

Peacetroll:
I have read the KJV since a child, and have always believed the manifest image of the Real God is Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit will lead one into understanding with the KJV, Darby or no scripture at all, if the author of our Faith deems it so.

peace.

P.S.  I find it literally priceless to cross-reference with other Bibles (Darby, Youngs) as well as be sure of two scriptural witnesses, but these simple rules of thumb are nothing without the Holy Spirit.

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