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New wine and born again
orion77:
(Luk 5:36 LITV) And He also told a parable to them: No one puts a piece of a new garment on an old garment; otherwise both the new will tear, and the old does not match the piece from the new.
(Luk 5:37 LITV) And no one puts new wine into old skins; otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins, and it will be poured out, and the skins will perish.
(Luk 5:38 LITV) But new wine is to be put into new skins, and both are preserved together.
(Luk 5:39 LITV) And no one drinking old wine immediately desires new; for he says, The old is better.
Both the old and new are preserved together, when the new wine is put into new skins. This is the beginning of the new covenant. New wine and new skins has another connection.
(Joh 3:1 LITV) But there was a man from the Pharisees, Nicodemus his name, a ruler of the Jews.
(Joh 3:2 LITV) This one came to Jesus by night and said to Him, Rabbi, we know that You have come as a teacher from God. For no one is able to do these miraculous signs which You do, except God be with Him.
(Joh 3:3 LITV) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated from above, he is not able to see the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:4 LITV) Nicodemus said to Him, How is a man able to be generated, being old? He is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born?
(Joh 3:5 LITV) Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated out of water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:6 LITV) That having been generated out of the flesh is flesh, and that having been generated out of the Spirit is spirit.
(Joh 3:7 LITV) Do not wonder because I said to you, You must be generated from above.
(Joh 3:8 LITV) The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone having been generated from the Spirit.
(Joh 3:9 LITV) Nicodemus answered and said to Him, How are these things able to occur?
(Joh 3:10 LITV) Jesus answered and said to him, You are the teacher of Israel, and you do not know these things?
(Joh 3:11 LITV) Truly, truly, I say to you, That which we know, we speak; and that which we have seen, we testify. And you do not receive our testimony.
(Joh 3:12 LITV) If I tell you earthly things, and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
(Joh 3:13 LITV) And no one has gone up into Heaven, except He having come down out of Heaven, the Son of Man who is in Heaven.
(Joh 3:14 LITV) And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
(Joh 3:15 LITV) that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Joh 3:16 LITV) For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(Joh 3:17 LITV) For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
(Joh 3:18 LITV) The one believing into Him is not condemned; but the one not believing has already been condemned, for he has not believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(Joh 3:19 LITV) And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil.
(Joh 3:20 LITV) For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed.
(Joh 3:21 LITV) But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
Nicodemus, a pharisee and ruler of the Jews, could not understand these words, and even today many still can not see, for they desire the old mixed with the new, but by mixing the new with the old perishes the wine, it takes a new skin (rebirth) to preserve them both.
The obedient ones are spiritually raised out of death and into the Life and Light of Christ and press onto maturity with the faith of Christ. Learning, living and progressing from faith to faith, because living things do not continue in death, but came out of death through a seed, to produce fruit to the One planting.
God bless,
Gary
YellowStone:
Excellent post Gary and very thought provoking.
I can see a very close tie between the following Scripture:
Joh 3:20,21 (LITV)
* For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed.
* But the one doing the truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
Luk 5:39 (LITV)
* And no one drinking old wine immediately desires new; for he says, The old is better.
The following words of John are very enlightning
Joh 3:7 (LITV)
* Do not wonder because I said to you, You must be generated from above.
Nicodemus was told straight that he could only understand unless he was given to power from above to do so. Wow, Christ told him not to wonder why; he infact did not want Nicodemus to understand.
So why couldn't Nicodemus understand and similarly why is it today that only a few do still?
Joh 3:8 (LITV)
* Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone having been generated from the Spirit.
Does this mean that Nicodemus was born of the spirit because Christ said: "Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice; but you do not know from where He comes" (emphasis on the word 'you')
This is an interesting thought, because Christ did die for everyone, so that everyone would be saved. Nicodemus certainly did not go through some earthly "born-again" ritual in order to receive the spirit, Christ had already given it to him. So what was missing, that Nicodemus could not understand?
This is indeed interesting, the Spirit speaks to whom he desires, but no one of the Spirit knows from where he comes and from where he goes. Clearly the Spirit spoke in parables so as not to be understood, or presented tibits of information like pieces to a puzzle; would this not amass confusion instead of understanding?
Have I got this right?
1. We are all have the Spirit due to Christ's death and resurrection.
2. Although the Spirit speaks to us, it does not mean that we are given to uinderstand.
3. Understanding comes from God and all are not given the privilege. (Generated from Above)
Corrects are always welcome?
Moderators step in, please :)
Love,
Darren
orion77:
Hello Darren, maybe these will help:
(1Co 2:5 LITV) that your faith might not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
(1Co 2:6 LITV) But we speak wisdom among the perfect, but not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, those being brought to nothing.
(1Co 2:7 LITV) But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, having been hidden, which God predetermined before the ages for our glory,
(1Co 2:8 LITV) which none of the rulers of this age has known. For if they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
(1Co 2:9 LITV) according as it has been written, "Eye has not seen, and ear has not heard," nor has it risen up into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for those that love Him. Isa. 64:4
(1Co 2:10 LITV) But God revealed them to us by His Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
(1Co 2:11 LITV) For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of a man within him? So also no one has known the things of God except the Spirit of God.
God bless,
Gary
YellowStone:
Hi Gary,
I guess I am at a loss ::) No surprise there.
But you did include the following Scripture:
(1Co 2:10 LITV) But God revealed them to us by His Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
Which seems to fit with my post. All of what we know is of God through His Spirit, but not all that we are told via the Spirit is understood.
Is this what you are meaning ?
Bit slow today ........
Love,
Darren
orion77:
Hello Darren,
I think the reason Nicodemus and the many can not understand, because they mix the two covenants. If we are not born again from the Spirit, the flesh simply can't understand, because the flesh minds those things of the flesh, and the spirit minds those things of the spirit.
Jesus came teaching new and drastic things, and the relligious having rule over the people would have nothing to do with it, for fear of losing their position. Just because many do not understand these things now, does not mean they will never understand. He is Lord over the whole day, the darkness and the light. Each in His own time.
New wine put in with the old wine will burst the skins and they both perish. But new wine put into new skins, will preserve them both. God does something new through Christ. How can turning the other cheek, forgiving your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, bless those who despitefully abuse you, and finally, forgive them Father for they do not know what they do, compare with the old covenant. Eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth are fleshly, carnally minded laws that lead to death.
The new is written within the hearts of men and women, where His Spirit dwells. A totally new and higher spiritual law of faith, love, mercy and forgiveness. The old is not done away, but fulfilled, regenerated into something better with a far higher glory. We must walk with Jesus and follow Him without the gates of the old Jerusalem, and be crucified with Him. Born again with His Spirit and His life.
God bless,
Gary
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