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New wine and born again
YellowStone:
Thanks Gary, it would appear that we are on the same page.
Darren
orion77:
No problem, Darren, knew we were on the same page, just maybe a different paragraph. ;D
The difference in the glory between the old and the new is also very interesting.
(Heb 3:3 LITV) For He was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, by so much as the one having built the house has more honor than the house.
(2Co 3:6 LITV) who also made us able ministers of a new covenant, not of letter, but of Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit makes alive.
(2Co 3:7 LITV) But if the ministry of death having been engraved in letters in stone was with glory, so as that the sons of Israel could not gaze into "the face of Moses" because of the glory of his face, which was to cease, Ex. 34:34
(2Co 3:8 LITV) how much rather the ministry of the Spirit will be in glory!
(2Co 3:9 LITV) For if the ministry of condemnation was glory, much rather the ministry of righteousness abounds in glory.
(2Co 3:10 LITV) For even that which has been made glorious has not been made glorious in this respect, because of the surpassing glory.
(2Co 3:11 LITV) For if the thing done away was through glory, much rather the thing remaining is in glory.
(2Co 3:12 LITV) Then having such hope, we use much boldness.
(2Co 3:13 LITV) And not as "Moses, who put a veil over his face," for the sons of Israel not to gaze at the end of the thing being done away. Ex. 34:35
(2Co 3:14 LITV) But their thoughts were hardened, for until the present time the same veil remains on the reading of the Old Covenant, not being unveiled, that it is being done away in Christ.
(2Co 3:15 LITV) But until today, when Moses is being read, a veil lies on their heart.
(2Co 3:16 LITV) But whenever it turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Ex. 34:34
(2Co 3:17 LITV) And the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
(2Co 3:18 LITV) But we all with our face having been unveiled, having beheld the glory of the Lord in a mirror, are being changed into the same image from glory to glory, as from the Lord Spirit.
The new sounds much better to me! 8)
God bless,
Gary
YellowStone:
Great stuff once again Gary :)
I'm with you, the new sounds so much better than the old. However, as with almost everything, old habits die hard, hence:
Luk 5:39 (LITV)
* And no one drinking old wine immediately desires new; for he says, The old is better.
This is a very interesting verse, for Luke is acknowledging the road to truth and understanding will not be easy.
Fits well withthe words of Matthew.
Matthew 7:13, 14
* “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. li]
[li]But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.[/
I think many have found their comfort zone and really don't want to get off life's super freeway - freeway to destruction.
God be with you Gary,
Darren
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello everyone
I see this tread flowing with the Spirit of wisdom and understanding and like mindedness! What a joy!
Here is something to add....
John 14:3 "If I go, I will come again"
Some understand this to point to Pentecost and others to when sinners are converted. The Scriptures declare the reverse, that at the time of our Lord's second coming the world will be far from converted. Rev 1 : 7 "...all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him" Those not loving His appearing would not be wailing if they had been converted. Also we are shown in 2 Tim 3: 1-4 the pricture of the end times...."perilous times..people will be lovers of self, greedy, proud, arrogant, abusive, unholy, profane, slanderers, uncontrolled and fierce, haters of good, treacherous..." to name a few! Luke 21 :34-35 Take heed to yourselves lest that day come upon you unawares, for as a snare shall it come on all them (not taking heed) that dwell on the face of the earth"....
This could mean in the end times the world will be awash in the old wine (laws) or , burst old skins that have had new wine mixed in with old wine...(Christian Mystery Babylon) ANDThis is meant to be! It is part of Gods plan because the first advent of Christ born on earth and then offered as a sin offering was to REDEEM us ALL and the second coming is to RESTORE us ALL...some more than others! ;D The bigger the restoration the greater HIS GLORY!
So as Paul saw...things are getting worse...old wine and blended wine all makes drunk, broken and needing restoration that Christ alone can bring....We have to fear not, look up and be anxious for nothing :) while our faith is being tested......against the backdrop of the worlds evil drunken debauchery....Yep! ...to be acounted worthy we must overcome the influences of the present evil world ie...Old Wine....New and Old in Old wine skins....
We who are acounted worthy will be separated...a peculiar people....unmixed with the better tasting OLD and unadulterated with the compromising Old and New....Mystery Babylon....The Church of Christ are the CALLED OUT ONES called and if found faithfull, chosen to reign with Christ...
Jesus says in Luke 21:36....pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man...
And Matt 26: 29 I say to you, I shall not drink agian of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it with you new and of superior quality in My Father's kingdom.
New wine? Superiour quality? ...wine of Restoration? ;D...you think 8) :D...I believe so!
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Gary,
This is from Ray's article and is totally in agreement with your post.
http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html ------------------------------
Christendom is attempting to believe in the New Covenant, while at the same time trying to live in the Old Covenant. This can’t be done. In fact, Jesus sternly warned against attempting to do such a contradictory and damaging endeavor:
"And He [Jesus] spoke also a parable unto them [the Pharisees]: No man puts a piece of new garment upon an old: if otherwise, then both the new makes a rent [tear], and the piece that was taken out of the new agrees not with the old [‘NOT according with the covenant which I made with their fathers (the OLD Covenant, Heb. 8:9)]. And no man puts new wine into old bottles [wineskins]; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish [be RUINED]. But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. No man also having drunk old wine straightway desires new; for he says, The OLD is better" (Luke 5:36-29).
This is a parable! Jesus is speaking of the Old and New Covenants. We cannot, we dare not, try to put the old with the new. BOTH WILL BE RUINED! Why don’t we believe Jesus? We can’t put the Old and the New together. And true to Jesus’ words, when people come into a knowledge of the New Covenant, they PREFER THE OLD BETTER!
Did you also notice that when we put these two covenants in their proper places (the Old is for babes to bring them to Christ, while the new is for those maturing into Sonship), that they are BOTH PRESERVED? Yes, both are preserved, but only if we don’t MIX THEM. Could anything be clearer.
The "Chosen" live by the New Covenant: The "Called" try to live by the New and the Old Covenants. They have never learned this simple lesson: "No servant can serve TWO masters…" (Luke 16:13). The two covenants are not even in "according" with one another—they are not to be "unequally yoked together," seeing that they are not equal. If you want to be a New Testament Christian, then you need to learn and know what the New Testament is all about.
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Hi Darren,
This might help with what you were asking.
email to Ray ---
Resurrection
« on: September 12, 2006, 11:12:27 AM »
Whereas John 3:3 in the King James says "born again," it would better translated "begotten anew from above." In the Greek there is but one word for both "begotten and born." Only the context can separate the proper use. At present the Elect Saints of God have only the "earnest" of our full spiritual birth into His Kingdom: "...ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of PROMISE [a promise of a future fulfilment] Which is the EARNEST of our inheritance UNTIL the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of His glory" (Eph. 1:13-14).
http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html ---
UNDERSTANDING COMES ONLY FROM THE SPIRIT
John 16: 12-15 "I have yet MANY THINGS to say unto you, but ye CANNOT bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into ALL TRUTH: for He shall not speak of Himself [Jesus IS this Spirit of Truth]; but whatsoever He shall hear [from His Father], that shall He speak: and He will show you things to come. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father has are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine, and shall show it unto you."
So why didn’t the disciples understand these things when Jesus first taught them? Because they weren’t converted as yet. They did not have the Spirit of God as yet. That is the ONLY way we can ever understand these deep symbolic mysteries of God:
"But God has revealed them unto us BY HIS SPIRIT: for the Spirit searches ALL things, yea, the DEEP things of God" (I Cor. 2:10)
"But we have the MIND of Christ" (Verse 16).
I believe we need to beware of those who claim to know God’s Spiritual Truths, but know preciously little about God’s Word, the Scriptures. God’s Spirit never contradicts His Word, but the Church’s teaching contradicts God’s Word in hundreds of places.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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