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Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
You say you believe..."we need to beware of those who claim to know God's Spiritual Truths, but know preciously little about Gods word, the Scriptures." unquote
I thought about WHO you could possibly be refering to ???
After some thought I came to the conclusion that those who "claim to know God's Spiritual Truths, and who know precious little about His Word" are the Moslems, the Hindus and in short the Pagan and Heathens....Is this who you meant? or have I got you wrong?
As I understand it the false teachers, or the wolves in sheeps clothing know only too well the scriptures!..We just have to see the line up of theological PHD's some of them wield about....Not like our Ray...a roofer!..God Bless him!....(I believe Ray not only knows the Scriptures but also I think he knows and has experienced something of the power of God... :))
I think we have to watch out for those who KNOW God's word as Jesus identified them. Snakes, Hypocrites, White washed Sepulchers...John 5:39,40 "You search and investigate and pore over the Scriptures diligently, because you suppose and trust that you have eternal life through them. And these very Scriptures testify about Me! 40 And still you are notwilling but refuse to come to Me, so that you might have life."
This is my understanding, ( keeping in mind I only see in part).... of Eph 6:12 For we are not wrestling with flesh and blood (for me this means Moslems, Pagans etc) contending only with physical opponents, but against the despotisms, (Mystery Babylon) against the powers, against the master spirits (for me this means false teachings...Islam...Judaism...Paganism...Capitalism....Communism etc...) who are the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spirit forces of wickedness in the heavenly sphere.
As a precaution I enjoy what Jesus says....Matt 7:16...by their fruits you shall know them....and as a guideline I do not think the following should be taken lightly (and I am preaching only to me here!)...1John 4:1 "Beloved, do not put faith in every spirit, but prove, test the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world."
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
This is a quote from Ray's article in lake of fire no. 7 --------------
I believe we need to beware of those who claim to know God’s Spiritual Truths, but know preciously little about God’s Word, the Scriptures. God’s Spirit never contradicts His Word, but the Church's teaching contradicts God’s Word in hundreds of places.
End of excerpt from Ray's article.
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I believe he shows who he was talking about, I put it in bold.
If you look at that statement farther you will see he said, "but know preciously little about God's Word."
I think what Ray means here, 'know' as in understands the Word.
http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html --------------------------------------------
Therefore, how many churches complete THE WHOLE CHURCH OF GOD?
"…write in a book and send it unto the SEVEN churches which are in Asia…" (Rev. 1:11).
Were there not churches (congregations) also in Judea as well? Even in Rome? Why only the seven churches "in ASIA?" Because these seven congregations completed all that Jesus had to say to all congregations, everywhere. This is a COMPLETE revelation for ALL CHURCHES. These seven congregations had within them all of the sins, weaknesses, and shortcomings of all congregations everywhere during ALL TIME. I will make this abundantly and Scripturally clear. But on the positive side, all of the churches had at least a "few names" that were not spiritually defiled, and who will be in the first resurrection as Sons and Daughters of God to bring the rest of the harvest, the great fall harvest into the Kingdom.
All seven churches were spiritually "lukewarm," which is like being spiritually "dead," because they all "left their first love," and they all had a members who "say they are Jews [spiritually circumcised and converted], and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan," and all the congregations of the churches of God down through the generations have been ruled over by the "Nicolaitanes."
ALL SEVEN CHURCHES HAD ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT EACH OTHER HAD, AND ALL OF THE CHURCHES OF GOD DOWN THROUGH THE GENERATIONS HAD ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THE SEVEN CHURCHES OF REVELATION HAD. IT IS A PROPHECY OF THIS VERY CHURCH THAT EXISTS AROUND THE WORLD TODAY!
And that my dear readers is how these churches in Asia are all SYMBOLS for what the Church of God would be like from the time John saw this vision, down through two thousand years of Church history, and out into the future when Jesus purges all evil from His Church and brings them all into the Family and Kingdom of His Father!
End of excerpt from Ray's article.
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Does this help, it's not always easy to understand what someone is getting at :)
But I go along with Ray on this, the churches are totally bankrupt,
when it comes to the knowledge of the truth.
let me know it I can help more.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Kat
I am aware that "the CHURCH'S teaching contradicts God's Word in hundreds of places. " (Ray) ....who has provided ample evidence of Church Heresy. Ref LOF part 2 THEY SPEAK WITH FORKED-ED TONGUE.
My direction of enquiry was addressed to you..."I thought about who YOU could be possibly refering to.... is this what YOU meant...or have I got YOU wrong...My question was to YOU regarding the need to beware of those who know preciously little about God's Word...
In the context of Rays insight and LOF series I have not found any error and have no dispute. In the context of what you quoted I asked YOU to tell me what YOU think....I shared what I thought albeit OUTSIDE the context originally presented by Ray.
To answer my question and sharing what I understood you simply refered me back to RAy. I follow what Ray is talking about in LOF. YOU did not need to put what Ray said in bold. I wanted to know what YOU thought.
I have to conclude in the kind words of Gary to Daren...quote..."no problem....knew we were on the same page. Just a different paragraph ;D
and quoting Ray LOF part 7 from the same page and follow up paragraph to your post...."Not that I am the only one to begin understanding these things!" ....
I feel privilaged to be beginning to understand ....and I do know that I have an EXTREMELY LONG WAY TO GO YET....
You asked me if YOUR (not Ray's) responce helped...I have to say no, it did not...not to say I DO NOT APPRECIATE WHAT RAY PRESENTS...but for the acknowledgement in your own words..."it is not always easy to understand what someone is getting at :)
I understand that I am offered the opportunity and privilage to be discussing LOF here.(.not in any way to mislead or teach or preach ) and that is what I believe was doing and have been doing....I was sharing...
Arcturus :'(...in training
Kat:
Hi Arctirus,
In your first post you asked--
--- Quote ---After some thought I came to the conclusion that those who "claim to know God's Spiritual Truths, and who know precious little about His Word" are the Moslems, the Hindus and in short the Pagan and Heathens....Is this who you meant? or have I got you wrong?
--- End quote ---
My reply was saying, through Ray's article, that the church was the main ones who knew precious little about His Word.
I see you get that. So to move on, you asked--
--- Quote ---My direction of enquiry was addressed to you..."I thought about who YOU could be possibly refering to.... is this what YOU meant...or have I got YOU wrong...My question was to YOU regarding the need to beware of those who know preciously little about God's Word...
--- End quote ---
OK, this is how I see things.
I have come to view the church in the same light as Ray teaches.
And from my experience in the church know, that it is true.
I believe that to have false doctrines and teach blasphemy,
is worse than not knowing scripture at all.
I feel like no matter how sincere they are,
they will face a grievous purging in the lake of fire, to rid them of all the false doctrines.
God will be totally just in dealing with all,
and their experience must be worth, what God has instore for them later.
Luk 12:48 But the servant who did things that deserved a beating without knowing it will receive a light beating. Much will be required from everyone to whom much has been given. But even more will be demanded from the one to whom much has been entrusted."
It is all of God and He is dealing with mankind in a way that we are not able to understand.
It is only a special few that have been chosen, be thankful, the rest are lost until judgment.
Ecc 9:1 I thought long and hard about all this and saw that God controls the actions of wise and righteous people, even their love and their hate. No one knows anything about what lies ahead.
Ecc 9:2 It makes no difference. The same fate comes to the righteous and the wicked, to the good and the bad, to those who are religious and those who are not, to those who offer sacrifices and those who do not. A good person is no better off than a sinner; one who takes an oath is no better off than one who does not.
Ecc 9:3 One fate comes to all alike, and this is as wrong as anything that happens in this world. As long as people live, their minds are full of evil and madness, and suddenly they die.
Ecc 9:4 But anyone who is alive in the world of the living has some hope; a live dog is better off than a dead lion.
Ecc 9:5 Yes, the living know they are going to die, but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward; they are completely forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Their loves, their hates, their passions, all died with them. They will never again take part in anything that happens in this world.
Ecc 9:7 Go ahead---eat your food and be happy; drink your wine and be cheerful. It's all right with God.
Ecc 9:8 Always look happy and cheerful.
Ecc 9:9 Enjoy life with the one you love, as long as you live the useless life that God has given you in this world. Enjoy every useless day of it, because that is all you will get for all your trouble.
Ecc 9:10 Work hard at whatever you do, because there will be no action, no thought, no knowledge, no wisdom in the world of the dead---and that is where you are going.
Ecc 9:11 I realized another thing, that in this world fast runners do not always win the races, and the brave do not always win the battles. The wise do not always earn a living, intelligent people do not always get rich, and capable people do not always rise to high positions. Bad luck happens to everyone.
Ecc 9:12 You never know when your time is coming. Like birds suddenly caught in a trap, like fish caught in a net, we are trapped at some evil moment when we least expect it.
I don't know if this answers you question, but I hope it went along with this thread :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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orion77:
Hello everybody,
Kat, I am glad you posted that from Rays articles. Finally, whew, I have been posting alot about the difference between the old and new lately. Thank you for your diligence.
Once our eyes are opened to that truth, wow, the scriptures come more alive. I have to admit, the longer this walk with Christ has become, it never ceases to amaze me how He opens things here and there, growing us from faith to faith. That is what it is like to be drinking from those living waters, they bring continuous growth and life. That's the difference between the old and the new. Night and day, darkness and light, death and life.
(Rom 6:21 LITV) Therefore what fruit did you have then in the things over which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.
(Rom 6:22 LITV) But now having been set free from sin, and having been enslaved to God, you have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end everlasting life.
God bless,
Gary
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