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Phazel

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Need some help with scripture.
« on: November 07, 2006, 11:45:37 AM »



In Hebrews 9:26,  it talks about the conclusion of the ages.   I know that the bible talks of ages to come.  Could I be pointed in the direction of scripture that deals with what ages are being referred to in this passage.   Thank you.





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buddyjc

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2006, 12:58:07 PM »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the age referred to in Heb. 9:26 is already accomplished. 

Brian
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buddyjc

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2006, 12:59:27 PM »

Oops.  Sorry, forgot about the Scripture.  How about Heb. 9:28.
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Phazel

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 01:22:08 PM »


Is there scripture that talks about the coming of the ages that are concluded   so that I can understand why it doesn't mean there are no more ages to come.
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buddyjc

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 01:35:46 PM »

Heb. 9:28 does speak of the age to come. 

Heb 9:28  So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

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Kat

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 02:08:01 PM »

Hi Phazel,

This is from Ray's article Is "Everlasting" Scriptural?.
It is not about the verse you ask about in particular,
but I think it will help with your question.

The first part is a statement from someone, and it is followed by Ray's comment.

http://bible-truths.com/aeonion.htm  ---------------------------------------------------

[Heb 9:12]:
"Nor by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, entered once for all into the holies, having obtained eternal.....redemption for us."
......................................."aionian"
Would God redeem us for just a few ages? (Then what?)
"aionian" here must mean "eternal" to make sense because Christ entered, (sacrificed Himself), once for all and for all time! Why would His sacrifice be for anything less than for eternity - all time? Is He not God?

Ray's Comment: Let me try this one more time. God created the eons of time, therefore, He is "the eonian God." God is working out His plan of salvation for the entire human race within the confines of these "eonian times." The Scriptures know nothing of "eternity." They didn’t even have a word for the concept. Redemption is only one of many things that God will accomplish in the eons. There are no promises, no prophecies, no anything, mentioned in Scripture that goes beyond the conclusion of the eons. After the eons are over, then what? What will we do? IT DOESN’T SAY. We know of only two things that are taught in reference to anything beyond the eons [1] we will all have IMMORTALITY [we will never die]. The word itself has nothing to do with "time," but rather ‘death-less-ness, and [2] God will be ALL IN ALL. That’s it! Beyond these, we must trust God in faith regarding what eternity holds for us.

Now for one of the most important truths of all regarding this word "aionios." When God says that He is "the EONIAN God," He is stating a FACT. That Jesus procured "EONIAN redemption" for us, is a statement of FACT. Neither "eonian God" nor "eonian redemption" are statements of LIMITATION. And to suggest that they are statements of limitation is to pervert the Scriptures—they neither say nor insinuate any such thing.

This principle of stating a FACT, which is not a statement of LIMITATION is found throughout the Scriptures. God is for example: "The God OF Abraham, OF Isaac, and OF Jacob"(Ex. 3:6). This is a statement of FACT. It is not a statement of LIMITATION. This statement of fact does not limit God from also being the God of Moses, David, Peter and Paul.

If the statement said that God is the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob ONLY," then it would be a statement of limitation, but we don’t find any such words of limitation in the verses in question. It doesn’t say that God is the "eonian God, ONLY," or that Jesus procured "eonian redemption ONLY" for us. Does it? Well, DOES IT? Why then do you deceitfully suggest that that is what IT MUST AND HAS TO MEAN?

And so this verse doesn’t say that Jesus procured for us eonian ONLY redemption, nor does it mean such a thing. But it does say that Jesus procured "EONIAN redemption for us," that that is a statement of fact, and that fact is Scripturally true. God’s elect will receiving "redemption" during the remaining eons of time. Nowhere does it say that at the end of the eons we will then LOSE our redemption. These are but unscriptural carnal arguments used to discredit God’s word and promote the pagan doctrine of eternal torture.
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The rest of the  article would give you a better understanding of this.

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

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orion77

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Re: Need some help with scripture.
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 04:09:28 PM »

(Heb 9:26)  since He must often have suffered from the foundation of the world. But now once for all, at the completion of the ages, He has been manifested for putting away of sin through the sacrifice of Himself.


completion:

G4930
συντέλεια
sunteleia
soon-tel'-i-ah
From G4931; entire completion, that is, consummation (of a dispensation): - end.


He came once in the flesh as a sin offering at the end of a dispensation.  The end of what?  He fulfilled the law of Moses and ushered in the new covenant.


(Heb 9:6)  And these having been prepared thus, the priests go into the first tabernacle through all, completing the services.

(Heb 9:7)  But into the second the high priest goes alone once in the year, not without blood, which he offers for himself and the ignorances of the people;

(Heb 9:8)  the Holy Spirit signifying by this that the way of the Holy of Holies has not yet been made manifest, the first tabernacle still having been standing;

(Heb 9:9)  which was a parable for the present time, according to which both gifts and sacrifices are offered, but as regards conscience, not being able to perfect the one serving,

(Heb 9:10)  but only on foods and drinks, and various washings, and fleshly ordinances, until the time of setting things right has been imposed.

(Heb 9:11)  But Christ having appeared as a High Priest of the coming good things, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation,

(Heb 9:12)  nor through the blood of goats and of calves, but through His own blood, He entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, having procured everlasting redemption.


The law of Moses was fulfilled by the shedding of blood, not blood of bulls and goats, but His own blood.  He became the testator of a new covenant through His blood and death.


Christ being raised being set on the right hand of God, having done the will of the Father now is our High Priest without sin.


(Heb 9:28)  so Christ having been once offered "to bear the sins of many," Christ shall appear a second time without sin to those expecting Him for salvation. Isa. 53:12


Now, with our eyes beginning to open, we see Christ without sin in the glory He has with the Father.  We know that He is just, righteous, and perfectly capable, we in earnst expect Him for salvation.

He is the same yesterday, today and forever.  He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.  These verses have helped me.


(Rom 6:20)  For when you were slaves of sin, you were free as to righteousness.

(Rom 6:21)  Therefore what fruit did you have then in the things over which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

(Rom 6:22)  But now having been set free from sin, and having been enslaved to God, you have your fruit unto sanctification, and the end everlasting life.

(Rom 6:23)  For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


God bless,

Gary

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