> If I understood what I have read what you wrote, you say that a water
> baptisim isn't needed, since it's of the flesh. So why then did Jesus and
> the deciples have it done if it wasn't needed?
Dear Adam:
I will write a paper on this one day, but not today.
Jesus was also circumcised in the flesh, and you know what Paul said
about THAT, don't you? Baptism and circumcision picture victurally
the same thing--dying to to the flesh and 'THINGS' OF the flesh--like
rituals, and ceromonies and religious 'services,' etc.
God be with you,
Ray