Hi Dustin and Bobby,
This might help.
To begin with let me quote you Dustin:
Just ask your self these questions
· Would Jesus Christ have asked the women to be silent in the church?
· Does any chrurch or group obey this commandment and was it acted upon at Ray's recent gathering?
Gal 6:13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.Please receive in LoveThese are good questions.
To respond:
Firstly lets look at what you what you could mean Dustin and Bobby when you say “church”……and in your case Dustin you ask……….”
would Jesus Christ have asked the women to be silent ‘in the church?’There are TWO Church’s.
These following excerpts are meant only to point this out. There is a paper that is even more specific about the fact that there are two churches and can be found elsewhere in Ray’s, The Lake of Fire series.
The Lake of Fire -
Part XTHE SYNAGOGUE OF SATANAnd think not that Satan merely makes an occasional visit to the Church. No, Satan is permanently in the Church until God removes him. The Greek word from which the translators give us "dwelleth" in the KJV is kataoideo, and it’s meaning is: "To house permanently" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary, page 136). Satan not only has his false apostles in the Church, and his congregation of unconverted lying Jews in the Church, and his synagogue in the Church, and his very throne in the Church, but Satan himself dwells permanently in the Church.
The Lake of Fire - PART VI TWO JUDGMENTS BY FIRE
………….contrary to popular Christian tradition, Jesus did NOT say that He would build His church upon Peter. "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter [Greek, petros, a piece of detached stone or rock], and upon THIS ROCK` [Greek, petra {a different kind of rock}, a mass of rock that cannot be moved as in Matt. 7:24 and 27:60, which is distinct from petros which is a smaller detached rock that can be moved] will I built MY CHURCH; and the gates of the unseen [hades] shall not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). Jesus named Simon, "Cephas"(Peter is the Greek translation of Cephas which is Chaldee):
"And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, He said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone" (John 1:42),
that is, a smaller detached stone or rock in contrast to Himself Who is a huge unmovable mass of foundational BEDROCK. See Luke 6:48. The Church of the Living God is build upon CHRIST, not Peter! And so it is upon this SPIRITUAL, unmovable, foundational, bedrock of Jesus Christ that we are to be built into a new spiritual creation.
TAKE HEED HOW YOU BUILD
Constructing a building is a process that requires time and activity. Since God likens the building of His spiritual temple to the assembling of a physical building, then this process, likewise, requires time and activity. Time and activity is what we call living our lives. Now then, when does judgment begin at the building of this house of God? Answer:
"For the time IS COME that judgment must begin at the house of God…" (I Peter 4:17).
And so it clearly has already begun with the Apostles and New Testament Church nearly two thousand years ago. And it is still going on in the Church of God today, in every believer’s life, as he lives his life.
Therefore, Paul warns:
"But let every man take heed HOW he builds [his building’] thereupon" (I Cor. 3:10).
And so judgment is upon the building of God’s house as each individual believer is framed and fitted for the calling that God has for each individual. This judgment began in the days of the Apostles after the resurrection of our Lord. It continued generation after generation down through the age until today when it yet continues. And it will continue still further until the entire harvest of first fruits is completed. Remember we already learned that if we would judge ourselves now, Paul said we would not be condemned with the world later (I Cor. 11:32).
It is while we are living and building that our works are being tried and judged BY FIRE according to HOW we are building. What fire? God’s fire. God’s "CONSUMING [spiritual] FIRE" (Heb. 12:29)! God is SPIRIT and likewise His fire is SPIRIT. ……………….unquote
My Point….There are TWO Churches.
So now… lets review your question Dustin…..
Would Jesus Christ have asked the women to be silent in the church?Here is how Jesus talked to the women from the Church of Satan.
Luke 23 : 27 And there accompanied Jesus a great multitude of the people, including women who bewailed and lamented Him. 28. But Jesus, turning toward them, said,
Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29. For behold, the days are coming during which they will say, Blessed, happy, fortunate, and to be envied are the barren and the wombs that have not borne, and the breasts that have never nursed babies! 30. Then they will begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us! And to the hills, Cover, conceal, hide us! 31. For if they do these things (bewailing and lamenting Him)
when the timber is green, (Jesus was only 33 years old )
what will happen when it is dry? (Jesus is risen. He is neither wet nor green behind the ears.) What will He say
…Depart from me you cursed, into the fire prepared for the devil and his angels! Matt 25:41
The admonition is to us ALL and not just to you and I to…..Take care how you build YOUR house…..!
But WHO are the Daughters of Jerusalem? In which Church do they belong? Let’s see …………excerpt quote from
The Lake of Fire -
PART VIJERUSALEM IS FAR WORSE THAN THE VERY WORST
"Yet have you not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, YOU WERE CORRUPTED MORE THAN THEY IN ALL YOUR WAYS. As I live, says the Lord God, Sodom your sister has not done, she nor her daughters, as YOU [Jerusalem] HAVE DONE, you and your daughters" (Verses 47-48).
"Neither has Samaria committed half of your sins; but you have MULTIPLIED YOUR ABOMINATIONS MORE THAN THEY, and have justified your sisters in all YOUR ABOMINATIONS which you have done. You also, which have judged your sisters, bear your own shame for your sins that YOU HAVE COMMITTED MORE ABOMINABLE THAN THEY: they are MORE RIGHTEOUS [imagine God saying that Sodom is ‘more righteous’ than Jerusalem?] than you" (Verse 52).Unquote…..
Would Jesus Christ have asked the women to be silent in the church?
If the women were in the Church of Satan….they would NOT be silent….. I believe Jesus would rebuke them in no uncertain terms! Like “Weep for yourselves…bear your own shame for your sins!…..”
If the women were in the Church of Christ, would Jesus silence them….….NO….because .they would be listening…..Luke 10 : 41 ….
Martha, Martha, you are anxious and troubled about many things; 42 There is need of only one, or but a few things, Mary has chosen the good portion, that which is to her advantage, which shall not be taken away from her.You ask....
Does any chrurch or group obey this ……..There is not one human institution called Church that is obeying Christ or following Him. They are ALL in error and they are ALL CALLED to overcome the error of their ways. They are called to Rev 2 : 5 Remember from what heights they have fallen and repent, change the inner man to meet God’s will and do the works they previously did when they first knew the Lord…..They are called to vs.14. stop holding on to the doctrine of Balaam who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to entice them to eat food that had been sacrificed to idols and to practice lewdness, giving themselves up to sexual vice.(sexual vice here is not literal it is spiritual prostitution of Christ’s intimate and holy teachings adulterated with doctrines, creeds, customs and traditions of man) They are called to…vs 20 stop TOLERANCE OF THE WOMAN JEZEBEL, who calls herself a prophetess, claiming to be inspired and who is TEACHING AND LEADING astray my servants and BEGUILING them into practicing sexual vice and eating food sacrificed to idols. (Food here is not literal. It is food as in commandments of God sacrificed to idols of man) These are the Churches that have a name and to which Jesus says Rev 3 : 1 …I know your record and what you are doing; you are supposed to be alive, but in reality you are dead. These are the Churches that say Rev 3 : 17 I am rich; I have prospered and grown wealthy and am in need of nothing…These are the Churches who do not realize and understand that they are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind and naked. These Churches are called to repent and overcome and to all this Christ says : Rev 3 : 22 He who is able to hear, let him LISTEN to and HEED what the Spirit says to the CHURCHES.
So :
Does any chrurch or group obey this commandment…..No church (as in man made institution) obeys….I believe that the “group” who are like-minded with Christ’s mind, both LISTEN to and HEED the Spirit of God……..but this group is not The Church....
It is a common failing to believe certain doctrines because others do. This is a manifestly fruitful cause of error. Many people have believed and sincerely taught error and many still do. Churches are devoted to teaching error. Acts 26:9 I myself was once persuaded that it was my duty to do many things contrary to and in defiance of the name of Jesus of Nazareth.
As for you, be not mis-led to worship, follow or believe the traditions and creeds of men. 2 Tim 3:15 The Scriptures (not the Churches) are able to make wise unto salvation, through faith, which is in Christ Jesus alone…
You quote: Gal 6:13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.
The scriptures do not contradict. Perhaps you will enjoy the Amplified translation : For even the Jews themselves do not really keep the Law, but they want to have you circumcised in order that they may glory in your flesh, your subjection to EXTERNAL RITES….(man made doctrines, false beliefs, ungodly behaviour, passed down man made traditions and customs, contradictions, carnality, idolatry… etc)
Peace to you
Arcturus