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OT Sacrifices Through the Lord's Eyes
YellowStone:
Joe wrote:
Hey Darren, of course we (Bobby & I) are on the same side, the side of our Lord!
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Love,
Darren
eggi:
Just some thoughts on this:
It is sure that we as God's Creation grow in knowledge and wisdom. It is a process. Jesus Christ had many things to say unto the disciples, but they couldn't bear them then. This also applies to us, of course. We are now guided by the Spirit of truth, and we are shown things to come. This Spirit glorifies Christ, for it receives of what is Christ's, and shows it to us. The things of the Father is also Christ's, THEREFORE said He, that the Spirit should take of what was His, and show it to us.
However in THAT day we will ask Christ of nothing, but we will ask the Father in Christ's name, and the Father will give it to us.
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.[/ib
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. (Joh 16:12-23 KJV)
Also, there is another witness to this, Christ will give all his authority to the Father:
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:24-28 KJV)
And yet, they are one, the Father and the Son.
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. (Joh 10:37-38 KJV)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe
You invite a vast limitless answer to your question : What did you think the Son of God the Father full of glory, at His Father’s side would be feeling or thinking as the unblemished animal was slain on the alter?
This brought me to re focus on the Scripture that reveals to us that the God of Abraham is Christ.
1 Cor 10 : 1- 4 …all passed through the sea; and were baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink; for they drank of the spiritual Rock that followed them and that Rock was Christ.
Regarding slain animals, it was the Hebrew ritual that when entering a blood covenant they were to follow nine specific steps. One of these steps was to split an animal right down the middle and lay each half to each side to form a pathway and to then walk right through them. This symbolised dying to self and giving up the right to their own life to start a new life with the covenant partners unto death. As Abram was directed by Christ to bring a three year old heifer, she-goat, ram, turtle dove and young pigeon for this ritual, it was Christ who as a “smoking oven and a flaming torch passed between those pieces.” Gen 15:17
So, Christ as the Spirit and Son of God, had already authored the prelude to Calvary right at the covenant made with Abram. Christ was active and working throughout the OT in preparation for the NT and the fulfilment of the prophecies.
You ask ...What would He be feeling or thinking?
My thoughts often turn to what was the depth of His pain suffered for us. My conclusion : I believe we can be sure and persuaded beyond doubt as Paul was as he expressed in Rom 8 : 38,39 that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities, nor things impending and threatening nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation is able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ…”
Can the drop of the ocean contain the ocean? It can know the Ocean in part...as we by becoming acquainted with the Spirit of Christ only know and see in part. How do molecules contained in a drop in the ocean (think or feel ) once they have no more skin?…Perhaps here is the answer…..
Eph 1 : 18 By having the eyes of your heart flooded with light, so that you CAN KNOW and understand the hope to which He has called you, and how rich is His glorious inheritance in the saints, His set apart ones 19. and so that you CAN KNOW and understand what is the IMMEASURABLE AND UNLIMITED AND SURPASING GREATNESS of His power in and for us who believe as demonstrated in the working of His mighty strength 20 which He exerted in Christ when He raised Him from the dead…….
Christ is the measure and fullness of perfection and completeness is found in Him. As we understand and know Him we attain the standard height of Christ’s own perfection and stature. Eph 4 : 12, 13. This is Christ’s work and Gods will for us. WE CAN KNOW.....!
Your question triggered these thoughts that do not even begin to scratch the surface of an adequate enough answer…..
Is the insight not perhaps contained in the fact that for beasts and man alike, death returns the spirit to God and the body to earth. We humans grow attachments to our pets. Any animal lover will know that each animal has its own personality that dies/sleeps after death. How does God view death then? How did Jesus regard human and animal pain and suffering before He descended from Heaven to earth? I believe the answer lies in Heb 4 :15 wherein we are informed that we have a High Priest Who is able to understand and sympathize and have a SHARED FEELING with our weaknesses and infirmities and liability to the assaults of temptation, for He has been tempted in EVERY RESPECT AS WE ARE yet He was without sin.
For me our deficiency is growing into His completeness and by way of His sin offering He created the bridge over which Heb 4 : 15 could be written and qualified by His own death that connects Him to us showing His feelings drawing us into a closer intimacy and union with Him. I think He always had these feelings of love for us. No greater love has He who laid His life down for us.....By definition I do not think Christ's love is terminal but by essenced is life. Human love is fickle, intemporate, and conditonal. I believe that as Christ descended from Heaven, that Heaven is not a place but a condtion to which we are raised up into newness of life.....His life!
Arcturus :)
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