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Our Path and God's Sovereignty
Brett:
Hi Kat,
Excellent post! Deep God's words. I love it. ;)
Brett
YellowStone:
Maria wrote:
I want to share this verse I came across today in the CEV version, it's awesome;
Rom 13:14
Let the Lord Jesus Christ be as near to you as the clothes you wear. Then you won't try to satisfy your selfish desires.
What a great verse to ponder, to know and believe He is as near to me as the clothes I wear. That's pretty close, and that's just what I want!
Now that's the kind of God I am talking about; one who will help protect us from our own foolishness and selfishness.
Thanks for a wonderful post Maria
Brett:
Hi Darren,
I read your:
--- Quote ---So that men are without excuse. This is a major stumbling block for me.!!!
--- End quote ---
I had same problem and I did send email Ray of my concerning, I pasted it below:
Hi Ray,
I read your series of Lake of Fire, I think is chapter 8 so far. I don't read fast. Anyway,
About blinded people in spiritual and they cannot help it because they are deceived. I found Romans 1:20,
Romans 1:20 KJV
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
I am not sure understand. Is that mean God removed person's spiritual blinded and see the profound truth with understanding then he go back where he was before like sinning or back to Babylon, then he is no excused because his spiritual has been removed?
Thanks!
Brett
(deaf)
Dear Brett: A better translation of "without excuse" would be "defenseless." They cannot "defend" their actions based on what they themselves have seen. All mankind as looked at the heavens, and the earth, and the animals, and the tries, and human life, and saw how marvelous all these things are. What man could climb or fly to the stars? What man can make an elephant? What man can create a mountain several miles high? What man can create another man? What man can make a tree? What man can produce his own food from the soil? Man has observed these many marvels all through history. Obviously not one of them could ever conceive of accomplishing such things as they see, and yet....AND YET, he has refused to worship the Great God Who has made all these things, and instead worships other men as weak as himself, or worse, he worships birds, and reptiles, and sticks and stones. There is no defense for attributing creation to one of the tiny tiny elements OF creation. And yes, they have all been deceived, but yet, even being deceived, they are "DEFENSELESS" for their actions.
God be with you,
Ray
I checked the Greek word of 'defensless' is anapologētos and I believe CLV is correct translated. Because 'without excuse' is to me mean 'you have no excuse' relate to 'you are responsible of this', know what I mean? Ray did clear me good.
Brett :)
YellowStone:
Brett,
I thank you so much for your response. :)
I looked into the different meanings given to anapologetos {an-ap-ol-og'-ay-tos} which is often translated to mean "without excuse"
Strongs has the following:
Stongs 379 - anapologetos {an-ap-ol-og'-ay-tos}
1) without defense or excuse
2) that which cannot be defended, inexcusable
There is no doubt that Ray's words hold credence; however, by substituting the words "without excuse" for "without defense" or "which cannot be defended" (defenseless) does not in anyway shape or form change the context of this passage. We have no "defense" if we say to God: "I was just to busy to notice!" Duh! Yeah right. :)
At the risk of this post being deleted, I will post a small comment of Ray's that in my mind skirts the entire issue. I will email him for clarification
Ray wrote:
Dear Brett: A better translation of "without excuse" would be "defenseless." They cannot "defend" their actions based on what they themselves have seen. All mankind as looked at the heavens, and the earth, and the animals, and the tries, and human life, and saw how marvelous all these things are. What man could climb or fly to the stars? What man can make an elephant? What man can create a mountain several miles high? What man can create another man? What man can make a tree? What man can produce his own food from the soil? Man has observed these many marvels all through history. Obviously not one of them could ever conceive of accomplishing such things as they see, and yet....AND YET, he has refused to worship the Great God Who has made all these things, and instead worships other men as weak as himself, or worse, he worships birds, and reptiles, and sticks and stones. There is no defense for attributing creation to one of the tiny tiny elements OF creation. And yes, they have all been deceived, but yet, even being deceived, they are "DEFENSELESS" for their actions.
God be with you,
Ray
May I ask who Ray say's refused to recognize and worship God? "He" as in man has refused; however, is/was it by choice or by the will of God.
Ray, continues to support my argument, man has continued to worship all kinds natural and man made objects; however, are we "defenseless" in the sense that we are not responsible or rather can we not defend our actions, because they are without defense and simply cannot be defended?
I would hope that the moderators leave this thread intact. I will email my posts and your response Brett to Ray and will gladly post his response.
I do not accept that God makes me do everything, because if that is true, then Satan is of no consequence and life has no meaning.
Love to you all, for God is Love.
Darren
sansmile:
Hi all,
I have heard an analogy used to help describe this, I will try and use it.
As parents we teach (and chasten) our children. Let's say we put an apple and a bar of chocolate in front of them. Most times that child would choose the chocolate and we knowing them, knew that they would. But as we teach them about healthy eating, looking after themselves etc., then sooner, rather than later they would choose the apple over the chocolate. And we knowing, that we have been guiding and teaching them, would know what choice they would make. It's the same with our Father.
Does this make sense??
Sansmile
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